IFS suspension lift problems

IFS suspension lift problems

Postby Macca on Sun, 24 Aug 2008 4:11 +0000

I have been sitting on this for a while, waiting for a response from our supplier.

We heard from them on Friday.

I want to stress at no point am I bagging a product or supplier with the following topic. That is why no brand names are mentioned.

We had some trouble with our front struts on a recent trip to the outback.
With this topic I am not saying the strut was at fault on its own, there may be other influences to take into consideration.
Also I want to stress that the supplier, Wholesale Suspension from Penrith did an outstanding job in “backing” the product.
I will definitely continue to use them as my suspension specialist, they are fantastic.
The struts were 2 years old, we sent them back with a photo and description of what happened. They returned them to the Australian importer/manufacturer who has offered a full refund.
This has to be the best outcome we could have expected, and we want to thank them for the effort and time they put in on our behalf.

The strut collapsed on the road from Tibooburra to Wanaaring in western NSW.
Looking at our photo’s the car was not sitting at it’s correct ride height at Tibooburra, the bottom bush would have snapped off and the “post” would have been sitting behind it on the lower wishbone,

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(if you look at the base of the strut you can see it doesnt line up with the bolt)

then the next day the “post’s” upper weld broke and the bottom of the strut itself was now wedged into the wishbone.

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As you can see this is a bit of a problem, we had to drive 650km on this to get another strut to replace it, quite a drive!!
The weight of the truck kept it in place, in fact it didn’t move at all.
From our experience, we want to give a heads up on a couple of issues we believe might have contributed to this situation.

1st, The strut takes the full load of the wheel/hub/brake assembly when the suspension is at full droop. In simple terms, it acts as the bottom bump stop. When going over continuous moguls in the desert the suspension was often fully extended and the strut would have been working hard to keep the wheels from detaching from the chassis. Then add some of the rough roads, and washouts they take a hiding.

We were travelling slowly, maybe not slow enough. On graded dirt roads at a maximum 80kph, the potholes or washouts can catch you out. We did hit a few.
You still need to do 65 - 70kph plus to get on top of the corrugations; you will hit rough patches at that speed.
The worst part of the Simpson, for 2 days, we maxxed out at 20kph - we needed some momentum to get through the worst spots.

I suspect the bottom bushes may have failed (possibly before this trip) as the other one had a bit of rubber sticking out of it, like in the photo. That would certainly fatigue the welds like they did. That one also broke going over a level crossing on the black while travelling home.

2nd, We had 25mm strut spacers fitted, a strut spacer lowers the whole assembly, therefore lowering the top of the strut. If the upper bump stop is not also lowered the strut can be over compressed and cause it to fail, we are not sure if this is the case here. BUT if the strut is now acting as the limit of top travel it will not do it any good at all. Our bump stops showed a shiny surface and were being used, even so the strut would have been compressed further than it was designed to do.

If you want to raise the front using spacers that fit on top of the strut top hat assembly, adjust the bump stops to suit, or fit a spacer on the spring itself to increase the preload and leave the strut sitting in its correct position.

We don’t know exactly what caused our problems; these are just some thoughts of mine about raising IFS 4x4’s.

Macca
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Re: IFS suspension lift problems

Postby 9W6VX on Sun, 24 Aug 2008 5:10 +0000

Macca old mate,

Thanks for sharing your info with us.

This info will keep us to be aware of the our front end especially so when traveling long distances.
Cheers

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Re: IFS suspension lift problems

Postby McSumWay on Sun, 24 Aug 2008 5:51 +0000

The strut spacer has been a subject of quiet concern with me for some time. Its the same old saying "you can't get something for nothing". The extra loading these items put onto the strut have to amplify any weak spot and with the design of the Hilux strut with the lower bar extension there it is!!

Knowing the manufacturer of your struts and the quality of their products I would reckon on the strut spacer as being the main suspect in the problem. Not to mention the lack of product testing carried out by the manufacturer of the spacer.

The quality of your strut manufacturer is borne out by their replacement of their product even after a long hard life.

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Re: IFS suspension lift problems

Postby Skog07 on Sun, 24 Aug 2008 6:56 +0000

Macca.
Thanks for the photos. Geeze I am glad that you both were Ok after the incident (incidents). And you werent stranded. More importantly the strut didnt fail when the wheels were at full droop. Causing a accident.
I will be replacing the struts when I upgrade the springs and have an assembled set in the truck now for remote travel.
I have to agree, strut spacers push the design of the struts beyond the servicable upward travel. They should supply extended bump stops to keep the strut working within its designed upward travel.
I have also been thinking of welding webbing onto the old struts around the a bottom bush mount as a trial so see if it increases the strength.
I definately now will be carrying 2 replacement struts for outback travel now.
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Re: IFS suspension lift problems

Postby TOMUCH on Sun, 24 Aug 2008 8:33 +0000

Mark, I dont want to hijack this thread, but carrying two struts...jsut more weight to lug around.. Left and Right are interchangable, and if you had to replace one, you could repair the busted one with some (basic) 24V welding Equipment. Enough anyway to get you out of trouble.. Just want to make the point of carrying what you need to some of the younger, maybe less experianced guys... otherwise, we would be draging around a whole repair parts store...lol... Cheers Mate.. TOMUCH
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Re: IFS suspension lift problems

Postby Skog07 on Sun, 24 Aug 2008 9:46 +0000

You are right there Mark. Just getting carried away.....lol :oops:
Will amend my previous post with an assembled strut (or just a strut) and a spare rear shock. Just(in) case Murphy comes to visit.
If you are travelling in convoy with common vehicles (same make, model) it would be quite easy to share heavy spares amongst the group.
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Re: IFS suspension lift problems

Postby Maca on Mon, 25 Aug 2008 1:59 +0000

More suspension woes!
Recently, I came across a 05 lux with a broken (RH) front strut. It hadn't broken as per the previous pics but had separated where the inner chrome piston goes into the lower tube. Fortunately for the owner, the bottom of the chrome piston had come down onto the top of the lower tube & locked there. If the (broken) chrome piston had missed the lower tube the whole suspension unit would have collapsed.
The strut was standard but had a prado coil fitted. The owner told me that apparently the prado coil is heavier duty & had been fitted to compensate for the steel winch bar.
From what I could see, whatever is fitted to the bottom of the piston to prevent it coming out of the lower tube, had broken off, allowing the top half including the coil spring to separate from the lower tube.
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Re: IFS suspension lift problems

Postby mblux on Mon, 25 Aug 2008 7:30 +0000

sounds like the heavier spring has over extended the shock piston breaking off the piston from the rod ??

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Re: IFS suspension lift problems

Postby Dave on Fri, 29 Aug 2008 7:23 +0000

Geez, I thought it was a matter of time before I hear about someone else having this problem.

Prior to 6-8 months ago, all Kofap shocks were real dodgy, they didn't have the best welds and there was quite a few failures of their shocks, I know quite a few suppliers around OZ are using Kofap shocks, they are OK but they did have a major problem for quite some time.

I had one of my struts go within 6 months, by driving over a small driveway curb, which resulted in the shock resting on the lower wishbone, causing the shock to wear down the drive shaft, made a complete mess!
Had it replaced then another few months later it happened again! this time I didn't even know it went until a mate pointed out that it looked a bit sagged, I was driving around for a long time with a broken strut and didn't even notice! very dangerious.

Anyways, all back together now....

All I can say is, the Ultimate shocks are much stronger than most that I've seen... and are definitely not Kofap. I would recommend them any-day.
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