Hilux Max build thread

[FJC-TOY]

G'Day

[Monster Rides]

FJCC - http://www.fjcc.com.au

Those FJ's on 35's, I wouldnt reccomend going the route that they have. They have severely limited their up and down travel and the tyres still rub.

Id reccomend waiting for the Rekon FJ kits to come out in the coming months which will solve quite a few of the problems that these tuff looking FJ's have.

MAxxx, if your going to slag off something because your desperate to create a sale of an item not on the market, perhaps best to at least do some homework first....

For the record, the front on thos 35"FJ's uses a 40mm longer strut, with a 9mm bump spacer for the 35"s, and the rear uses a 180mm longer shock, with a 40mm bump spacer, to stop the tyres rubbing, so there are no limited travel here, in fact the travel is much more than a normal 2"lift, we have almost doubled it!

The length, sway bar extensions, diff drop, all add up to lots of travel, using the 760mm rear shocks, we have maxed out everything connected to the rear diff including the rear arm bushes, so there is no more travel left.

We are now having manufactured heim joint panhard and lower arms, to free up the last part of the travel as well.

What length rear REKON shocks are you guys using, that will make them so much better ?

What problems do you think they have that this suspension will fix ?

I look forward to your answers, but please make sure you research them a little better first.

Darren,

Firstly, G'Day. You do some nice work with the FJ's and your truck looks nice.
Quite the first post there on NewHilux... Welcome

How about if we wait and see what MR turns out for the FJC's with our Rekon kits and then we start having an online pissing competition as to who can drink the most and piss the furthest? Or lets not and let the trucks do the talking?

I don't think Max slagged off anything, he simply gave an opinion based on what he had been shown on the FJC's he saw on the trip he attended with the FJCC boys a few weeks back and his own knowledge of the front end set up on these trucks, both locally and from overseas.
After speaking to you today on the phone it is clear that we have a lot of common ground and I'm sure MAx will reply shortly as well.
To say he is desperate for a sale is a bit of a stretch (We'd have finished our website months ago if we were desperate for sales!!). We are paid vendors on this site so we can spruke all we like. That is why we pay for a vendor status here... so we can advertise our products and future products.
We didn't post those kinds of comments on FJCC, as we aren't paid sponsors yet and it's not really our style to speak out of turn on the forum where you promote your stuff. That would be rude and unprofessional.
We will become vendors on the FJCC site as well when the new platform is launched in a few weeks and will advertise our products on there as well, but all things in good time.

I'm happy to have a front end comparison and wheel travel test right now if you want with Max's Hilux versus whatever you wish to bring to the comparison. While the set ups on the FJC and the Hilux are similar, they are different though so probably best if we wait and see when we have a kit on a FJC, which won't be far away.


We have no need to limit uptravel at the moment on Hilux's with 33's, and the FJC has more room in the front wheel well, so I'd suggest we will have no need to limit uptravel on the FJC's either. 35's will be interesting and we won't know until we get a truck to play with. I'd suggest a lot of the problems we see in the set ups currently on local FJC's relates to the UCA and the lack of castor the stock UCA offers. Clearance on the coil would be a down travel limiting factor as well.
I'm happy to send you over a set of our UCA's to trial to see if they can help with your set up, some diff brackets as well to take some of that nasty angle from your CV's. Not being a smart arse here, it's a genuine offer as I think these products will really help with the current set ups you have.

We spend a lot of time on R&D with our suspension kits, and manufacture our own UCA's, diff relocation brackets, bash plates and other suspension components right here in Australia. We are very proud of this and see no reason to bolt on gear from the US when we can make equivalent or better gear right here at home. Great to hear you are taking the same approach with the heimed panhard and lower arms.

I'm not one to get into online slanging matches with anyone, not really my style or the image MR puts out there, so I make this reply with respect to you and your products/set up. But this is NewHilux where we are paid sponsors and this is Max's build thread, a big part of the MR team, so I will speak my mind openly and without prejudice.


Lets agree to disagree perhaps regarding the FJC suspension set ups and once we have a FJC set up with a MR Rekon kit we can compare the 2 trucks and take them out for a days wheeling and see how they go.

It was good to talk to you this afternoon, I wanted to put a voice to the username and give you us both the opportunity to discuss trucks and the like. Anyway I look forward to your response (And Max's) and meeting you and maybe even working together on some gear for the FJC's.
You have had a bit of a headstart with the FJC's and no doubt will be a wealth of knowledge regarding their set ups etc.

Details on our FJC Rekon kit will be released in good time and I look forward to unleashing the potential of these trucks here in Australia.

My and Max's apologies if his previous post offended, but we didn't name a product or supplier and I know Max will be more than happy to qualify and edit his post as necessary.



Cheers
Matt

[Hilux Max]

FJCC - http://www.fjcc.com.au

Those FJ's on 35's, I wouldnt reccomend going the route that they have. They have severely limited their up and down travel and the tyres still rub.

EDIT: They have not limited their down travel. I was reffering to something else but the wording didnt come out right.

Id reccomend waiting for the rekon FJ kits to come out in the coming months which will solve quite a few of the problems that these tuff looking FJ's have.

MAxxx, if your going to slag off something because your desperate to create a sale of an item not on the market, perhaps best to at least do some homework first....

For the record, the front on thos 35"FJ's uses a 40mm longer strut, with a 9mm bump spacer for the 35"s, and the rear uses a 180mm longer shock, with a 40mm bump spacer, to stop the tyres rubbing, so there are no limited travel here, in fact the travel is much more than a normal 2"lift, we have almost doubled it!

The length, sway bar extensions, diff drop, all add up to lots of travel, using the 760mm rear shocks, we have maxed out everything connected to the rear diff including the rear arm bushes, so there is no more travel left.

We are now having manufactured heim joint panhard and lower arms, to free up the last part of the travel as well.

What length rear REKON shocks are you guys using, that will make them so much better ?

What problems do you think they have that this suspension will fix ?

I look forward to your answers, but please make sure you research them a little better first.

Darren, my apologies if my comments have offended you. I was meaning to explain something else but with limited time and in a hurry it may have come across differently. Email on the way. Welcome to newhilux.......

[Jack S]

Very nicely said Matty, that was a pleasure to read and very professional of you

[FJC-TOY]

For the record,

I didnt say he was desperate for a sale, but I think we all agree bagging another product, to sell your own in its place isnt taught at any business school in the nation.Especially to promote a product yet to be developed, or available.

As for limiting FJ front travel, I guess when you do get one to work on, you will find even the standard tyres will rub inside the top of the front fender, let alone 35's, so limiting uptravel will stop the inner fenders being torn out, unless you body lift it. 9mm and some trimming is the magic No for the front.

We have been experimenting with some Timbrens progressive bump stops for the front of these also, to slow down the last part of the up travel, when required.

As you can see from my original post, I have given you an opportunity to explain the benefits

Maxxx says the REKON kit will offer fixes, and your pissing contest, as you call it, appears to be in your offer to compare a car against a car, I have had no intention to create any sort of "competition" and I dont see how that will help explain the benefits of your yet to be released kit, where as all I have asked is for some research to be done, and some statements clarified, if possible.

When you post something publically, its generally best to make sure its accurate, or be prepared to be questioned on it, and be able to qualify what you have posted, if your correct, or to be able to post the correct details, or edit your post, if its not.

I have no issue with someone questioning details, I have no isue with MAxxx either, only that the core of this is that something that was posted was incorrect, and I supplied the details of what is actually the case, and gave an opportunity to explain the finer points of a the kit he mentioned, which I think your saying hasnt been developed yet.

Have a great day, and I Look forward to your answers, when they are available, and if we can buy AUS made products instead of U.S, please email me some details.

[Hilux Max]

Darren,


As per my email, I explained the benefits of the Rekon suspension kit and how it would help the FJ Cruiser. The FJ having the a lot of the same suspension components as the front of a Hilux, means the Hilux is a good enough reference for you to look at now if you wish, until a dedicated FJ kit is released in the near future.

For the record, I didnt say he was desperate for a sale,

Sorry Darryn, yes you did......

MAxxx, if your going to slag off something because your desperate to create a sale of an item not on the market, perhaps best to at least do some homework first....

I also quoted -

Those FJ's on 35's, I wouldnt reccomend going the route that they have.

Yes, I have corrected my post regarding the fact that you have not limited your downtravel....so that is clear. But I did see areas that could be improved.....and that I have explained to you and is what my original post has been all about.

There is nothing wrong with expressing an opinion on the setup of another vehicle? No names, brands have been mentioned. Just the "setup".

As you can see from my original post, I have given you an opportunity to explain the benefits Maxxx says the REKON kit will offer fixes....

As I explained in the email I sent you, I shall explain again for the public to read:

Monster Rides Diff brackets would lower your front diff a full inch properly reducing your front cv shaft angle, your cv shaft inner boot ribs are touching from my observation....this would fix that. Hence an improvement.

Your down travel even thou increased with longer shocks on the FJ is still limited by how far the factory UCA can droop before it hits the coil. Our UCA's can allow you to gain even more droop (if your cv's can handle it without our diff brackets fitted), and also more castor; one of the benefits being slightly more clearance at the rear of the front guards.

On full bump 33's "just" touch the guards on a hilux.....FJ's having larger front guards 33's shouldnt be a problem....I dont understand (and I admit it) how standard tyres on an FJ can hit the inner guards?

Sliding swaybar links would allow the front end to operate more independantly one side to the other when disengaged, this is also another benefit/improvement that could be made.

Have a great day, and I Look forward to your answers, when they are available, and if we can buy AUS made products instead of U.S, please email me some details.

darren@auto-craft.com.au

I did email you the details... and I have just listed a few products that can immeadiatley help the front end suspension set up on your FJ should you wish. More to come in the following weeks as we release the front end of the Rekon kit form the FJC, and then options for the rear.


Cheers
Max

[FJC-TOY]

Desperate to create a sale, yes, create an opportunity, not invoice and take the money.

Im sure your not condoning this sales techinique, as promotion for your own company ?

I guess when you get an FJ, and start development, you may see how the std tyre touches the top of the front gaurd.

As for diff drop, there was no issue, or question of improvemnt, just to do it different, it doesnt alter up, or doen travel, and sometimes a smarter mouse trap isnt always a better mouse trap either.

Ideally, rather than all this other guff, and people coming in to defend the position, if Maxxx cant deal with it, perhaps the "better man" aproach is just admit a mistake was made, and after further research, someone admits the mistake.

The rest is just "fluff" really....

[Hilux Max]

Like Matty said, if we were desperate for sales, the website would have been completed ages ago instead of us spending time on product developement. The kits basically sell themselves and have done so for over a year now.

Not sure what sales technique you are reffereing to here? Our customers are more than happy with initial and after sales support that we provide them. We strive for great customer service. Im sure they would vouch for that.

Cant deal with what? Why are we still running around in circles over the original issue which I corrected that you have not limited your downtravel!

And regarding the fluff.....our "Monster-Fluff" sells/performs and satisfies owners all around the country.

Thanks Darren, always nice chatting with you

[kyle300exc]

very entertaining lads, Jack are you on the payroll yet or what??
You should be

[kranky81]

you need some of them oversize boxing gloves

[helmut79]

Ok guy's I think we have all had enough to say on the subject. Max apologised and edited his original post.

Let’s just leave it at that.

Onward with Max's build thread

[Jack S]

I was actually waiting for you Mick to jump on and post something to calm everyone down, you are the forum peace maker

[helmut79]

I was actually waiting for you Mick to jump on and post something to calm everyone down, you are the forum peace maker

Peace maker with anger management issues Jack.................

[Quinny34]

[CJY91LUXXY]

Just went to get popcorn and now waiting for some more action

[Hilux Max]

Bringing this thread back on track again...some vids from the last FJ trip care of someone else....





Also, did a couple suspension measurements the other day for a potential rekon customer....

Hilux is sitting at 570mm front hub center to flare, which according to the ADR standard amount of 512mm means I have bout 2.75" front lift.

I measured the rear and it works out to be 40mm above standard.

With that I also get a full 4" of downtravel, yep, another 100mm. and the cv's dont even bind at that level, friggin awesome!

Currently investigating which option to go with to take the hilux's offroad ability to the next level...have a couple of ideas in mind but cant decide between which route to take.

[Alby]

Your truck is looking very capable Max

[jakelux]

Lux looks like it's holding back well on that decent, Is that using crawler gears?

[danmcccc]

Currently investigating which option to go with to take the hilux's offroad ability to the next level...have a couple of ideas in mind but cant decide between which route to take.

its got no major panel damage...so you either dont need it to be more capable or your not wheeling it hard enough

[Hilux Max]

Lux looks like it's holding back well on that decent, Is that using crawler gears?

yeah that decent was in compound low, was pretty steep.

Currently investigating which option to go with to take the hilux's offroad ability to the next level...have a couple of ideas in mind but cant decide between which route to take.

its got no major panel damage...so you either dont need it to be more capable or your not wheeling it hard enough

trust me, she's got her fare share of small dents and both sides are well and truly pinstripped

why turn her into a raisin uneccessarily? if your damaging panels your wheelin harder but not smarter! you can get away without damage.