Body lift details

[Offroad Factory]

Yes, I used the search
I'm in the middle of creating a 50mm body lift kit for the new crew cab Hilux but the guinnea pig rig is another 6 weeks away from delivery.
I wonder if anyone could get me the measurements of the stock bolts (thread & length). I'd like to have everything ready by the time the truck gets here.
BTW, we get those engineered here in Europe without problem, there's even a 100mm kit on the market right now (which is way too much if you ask me).
Thanks !

[10K]

Hey Offroad Factory,

Good stuff... we like guines pigs around here!

Any details on the kit?

Good luck with the install, post up some photos etc after its in.

Cheers
Matt

[Hilux Max]

yep, Ill be watching this keen as mustard.....

Offroad Factory, could you please give more info into whats requeired there in Europe to engineer a bodylift on a hilux?

Do the engineers take the airbag sensors into consideration?

Mate, basically, is there any sort of information or engineering reports that you can send me/us that I/we can use as ammunition to back up our claims that a bodylift doesnt affect airbag sensor activation.

Thanks in advance.

post some pics up here please. are you guys able to run 35's with a 2 inch bodylift and 3 inch suspension?

[Offroad Factory]

The kit will mostly consist of the blocks, bolts and hardware to realign bumpers etc. We have to check all the little details when the truck is in the shop. As for engineering, we have two ways to do it. One is to have one vehicle checked all over with stress test, driving test etc by the TUV (DOT) and get a "master"report on it you can give the customer who installs your kit to have it engineered for about 50$ after installation. This involves around 10-15k$ upfront for the masterreport and you need to have ISO9001 standard in your company etc.
The other, easier for us, way is to do single vehicle approvals with an TUV engineer where they basically check the fitting of the kit, do a short test drive and we provide them with a material declaration of the parts. This single approval is about 150-200$ per vehicle and is often used over here. This is speaking for Germany, though. Other european countries differ, France for example doesn't even care about any alterations to a car, Austria does allow only very little and you even have discussions with a masterreport
As for tires, we have a complete mess since they started to take emissions extra serious (Germany wants to be leader in this ). We're usually allowed to go a max of 8% bigger in circumference from the smallest stock tire on everything that is Euro3 or better. So the Hilux being Euro4 we only can go to a max of 275/70R16 or 31x10.5 without changing gears to correct the total gearing. Everything that is less or Euro2 is pretty much easy. I have my GQ Patrol engineered with 35's, no problem being completely Euro0. Drawback is that the road tax is measured by Euro0-5, the lesser the number the higher the tax. So for a Euro0 TD42 GQ you look at 3000$ road tax a year while a Euro4 would be 800$/yr.
And the airbags, well, we have engineers who know and understand how airbags work and they do not see a problem with them as long as you do not alter the frame in front of the sensors.

[Hilux Max]

thankyou very much for that, heres a question for ya, and its a long shot. any chance of getting a letter from an engineer there stating exactly that which you have stated above regarding the airbags?

I can PM you my personal address if need be. I talked to my local fourby shop about this very issue today. He's still chasing up the engineers and arguing with Vicroads (DOT) about the issue. Ive provided him with information from Toyota here and he has chased up the same info from toyota himself and he has got an engineer that is "almost" there, but Vicroads wont even give him the time to discuss the issue. they cut him short and hang up.

Yeah, like I said, if there is any chance that I could get a simple letter, with an engineering company letterhead stating that a bodylift doesnt affect airbag deployment or activation at all and is TUV certified, I think that would be awesome ammunition to take to the engineers and Vicroads here.

I know its a long shot, but if I dont ask, Ill never know.

[Offroad Factory]

Well, I could send you a copy of an L200 (Triton) master report if that helps

[Hilux Max]

PM sent mate.

[SR5LUX]

would love to get a body lift if they are legal, already lookd into it and seems very hard to get it engineered!!

[Hilux Max]

Yeah it is very difficult here in Vic....Ive got a fourby shop that is almost there on approval, they just need that little bit something more to get em over the line. Might be something in the near future....Ill be one of the first hopefully.

as much as a 2 inch bodylift would look good, It wont help you with too much because you still have that bodymount that gets in the way at the rear of the front guard.

Trim that and 315's would be a possiblity.

[SR5LUX]

Yeah it is very difficult here in Vic....Ive got a fourby shop that is almost there on approval, they just need that little bit something more to get em over the line. Might be something in the near future....Ill be one of the first hopefully.

as much as a 2 inch bodylift would look good, It wont help you with too much because you still have that bodymount that gets in the way at the rear of the front guard.

Trim that and 315's would be a possiblity.

315's would be nice, nothing the grinder cant fix fingers crossed it all works out

[Hilux Max]

Just joined newnavar.net and a bloke on there has a mate that has bodylifted an 07 single cab hilux.

2 inch bodylift, 3 inch suspension running 285's and a rear locker.

I asked him for more details and pics and hopefully he gets back to me. Ill post it up here when he does.

Says it was a straight forward 2 hour job. only needed a steering shaft extension. He removed the airbag fuse when fitting, then when he put it back in just went to toyota to clear the code.

another nudge for me towards that direction.

[SR5LUX]

Sweet, just had a chat to toy 4x4 and they said you have been helping with the body lift quite abit fingers crossed the engineer signs of on it...

[Hilux Max]

Sweet, just had a chat to toy 4x4 and they said you have been helping with the body lift quite abit fingers crossed the engineer signs of on it...

toy 4x4 or playtime 4x4?

good to hear some positive feedback

[SR5LUX]

my bad i meant to say ive been talking to playtime 4x4 and ive heard good things

[Jcas24]

awesome effort Max, I'll be watching this thread with interest. Interesting to find out about the B/L in a D40 (calmini do a 5" lift for them too)

cheers

[Hilux Max]

Fella's,

just came across a european website with pics of a current hilux with 2 inch bodylift, Im assuming suspension lift too and what looks like 35 inch tyres on 17 or 18 inch wheels.

Check it out - http://www.delta4x4.com/component/optio ... 7/lang,en/


click the .pdf file for more pics.

Im so FU#$@N Jealous

[SR5LUX]

very nice, tuff looking truck nice find.... but it doesnt look like the wheels will turn far in that pic

[SR5LUX]

Any more news on the engineers for the bodylift yet?? i cant see why all these other country's can get engineers done and we have no luck doesnt seem very fare!

[matt79]

Does the size of body lift make a difference to whether they will engineer?
Only want about 25mm so my tyres stop rubbing.

[Hilux Max]

Matty,

Ive thought about the same thing too, and have mentioned it in a email to playtime 4x4. might give em a ring later and follow it up.

Ive just emailed a detailed email to those blokes at Delta 4x4 linked above and will see what eventuates from it.

There is a 30mm bodylift kit available from a mob on ebay in the UK.

Id be happy with that, im happy with the height the rear is at, but would like a little bit more for the front.

35's one day would be ideal, but I want her that little bit more capable now, and Ive found its that 1 inch im lacking with approach angle that has gotten me stuck atleast 3 times when offroad on the edge of the bullbar.