oggy wrote:Apparently (in Thailand at least) there is some 220v plug thingy behind the centre console for charging shit
If it's like the Prado, it'll be about 150w of charging goodness
oggy wrote:Apparently (in Thailand at least) there is some 220v plug thingy behind the centre console for charging shit
LUX666 wrote:I have read the document you point too and nowhere does it say the ball weight is added to the vehicle, at actually tells you how to work out the total weight of the trailer and load, you also need to look at this document.
http://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/documents/roa ... 8-rev2.pdf
This is the confusion that is going on, you need to talk to the RMS technical guys, your interpretation is not correct.
The RMS guy I spoke to was terrific, he walked me through it step by step, the ATM and the GTM in the end are exactly the same weight, just two different ways to work it out, whether hitched or unhitched.
Definitions
Aggregate Trailer Mass (ATM)
The total mass of the laden trailer when carrying the maximum load recommended by the manufacturer. This will include any mass imposed onto the drawing vehicle when the combination vehicle is resting on a horizontal supporting plane.
Gross Trailer Mass (GTM)
The mass transmitted to the ground by the axle or axles of the trailer when coupled to a drawing vehicle and carrying its maximum load approximately uniformly distributed over the load bearing area.
ATM = A + B + C GTM = A + B
ATM = A + B1 + B2 + GTM = A + B1 + B2
http://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/documents/roa ... brakes.pdf
Pete,
The figures you quoted above are correct only if the vehicle is loaded to its max, in the case of the ranger, for example, the vehicle weights, depending which configuration you buy, plus two persons in it and fuel, you can get away with it weighing 2500, in which case it can tow 3500, and stay in the GCM of the manufacturer, can you do this in all models, I would highly doubt it.
Also some ads don't say towing capacity, they say pulling power, a little bit different.
A few years ago, the battle was between the Landcruiser and the Range Rover, the Landcruiser was advertised as being able to tow 5500 Kg and the Range Rover 6500 Kg, and this kept climbing every year till Australian Standards jumped in and stopped it.
Anyway I think enough said on this.
hylux wrote:Coils and independant rear - sounds good, but then I think about CV's breaking, diffs bending and all that stuff like the front end. Then you will want a lift kit - who has perfected that in the aftermarket industry ? Toyota rests its philosiphy on reliability, I think I would need to be confident that I dont get those issues so willing to wait and see what probelms the Navara comes up with first and what the suspension industry take on it wll be.
Yes it is a long time coming and should have happened years ago, but there must be a lot of design concerns for the ute market to take it in. Why didnt they do it when Landrover started it 20 years ago
Alby wrote:gnomeo wrote:argyle wrote: 15 years into the 21st Century and they are going to serve up leaf springs and drum brakes on their flagship Hilux? They can't be that arrogant.
Yes they can and they are. They have lived and charged off the name for so many years and are too blind to see the writing is on the wall in this market in Australia. Dont get me wrong they make good vehicles they just aren't living in the real world any more.
Their sales figures don't agree with you and until that changes I think they are still grinning at the boardroom table
argyle wrote:[ Ranger is almost up with Hilux in Australia and has already overtaken Hilux in New Zealand. There have never been so many players taking this market segment so seriously. The grinning fools in the boardroom may be committing honourable hari kiri before they know it.
Pete'90 wrote:Im interested to know what has happend to the available in both leaf and coil applications that was meant to be for the mid to top spec hiluxes. Although i dont hear people whinging about the rangers comfort with its retained leaf sus. The biggest issue with the standard hilux suspension is that the load leaf is pretty much touching the rest of the leaf pack when empty making it jerky. When you look at its competitors they all have a minimum of 30 - 50mm separation
jimO wrote:argyle wrote:[ Ranger is almost up with Hilux in Australia and has already overtaken Hilux in New Zealand. There have never been so many players taking this market segment so seriously. The grinning fools in the boardroom may be committing honourable hari kiri before they know it.
i was talking to a mate who happens to sell rangers and he says the ranger is replacing the farmers falcon or commodore and they are still using other 4x4s on the farm to do the work
Homer72 wrote:How about you guys start another thread on that topic. Cause seriously I have never read so much boring crap in my life about nothing really to do with the Hilux.
HK1837 wrote:Homer72 wrote:How about you guys start another thread on that topic. Cause seriously I have never read so much boring crap in my life about nothing really to do with the Hilux.
Fair enough!
argyle wrote:jimO wrote:argyle wrote:[ Ranger is almost up with Hilux in Australia and has already overtaken Hilux in New Zealand. There have never been so many players taking this market segment so seriously. The grinning fools in the boardroom may be committing honourable hari kiri before they know it.
i was talking to a mate who happens to sell rangers and he says the ranger is replacing the farmers falcon or commodore and they are still using other 4x4s on the farm to do the work
Yep the Ranger is taking over from Hilux on farms and also on minesites. There seems to be a hell of a lot of Amoroks in Darwin too these days. Is it so hard for Toyota to make a dual cab ute with Prado mechanicals? And I am just talking about the top spec SR5 model here which is increasingly being bought for recreational use by families. The bottom end hacks can still use horse and cart springs for all I care.
argyle wrote:jimO wrote:argyle wrote:[ Ranger is almost up with Hilux in Australia and has already overtaken Hilux in New Zealand. There have never been so many players taking this market segment so seriously. The grinning fools in the boardroom may be committing honourable hari kiri before they know it.
i was talking to a mate who happens to sell rangers and he says the ranger is replacing the farmers falcon or commodore and they are still using other 4x4s on the farm to do the work
Yep the Ranger is taking over from Hilux on farms and also on minesites. There seems to be a hell of a lot of Amoroks in Darwin too these days. Is it so hard for Toyota to make a dual cab ute with Prado mechanicals? And I am just talking about the top spec SR5 model here which is increasingly being bought for recreational use by families. The bottom end hacks can still use horse and cart springs for all I care.
Homer72 wrote:Rio Tinto made the big mistake of putting the Rangers onto a lot of WA sites and are now having to replace them with dual cab Cruisers. I'm looking out my office window at around 30 dual cab Hilux's parked at the Goline and know they are the only vehicle in that category to last the extreme conditions up here in PNG.
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