Mrmal wrote:Check your EGR cooler. The EGR valve only opens above 15c IAT and when EGT is over 84c. If there was a slight leak of coolant in the cooler the engine will produce that momentary miss as the EGR opens and the water/vapour is sucked/blown in, blanking plate at the head will still allow any coolant leaking to enter the EGR valve as either steam or water. Saw this in a Hilux that had miss at idle and had some interesting vibrations, they did a full EGR delete (took the cooler off completely) and when they did the delete the miss went away. Only thing they could put it down to was a small leak in the cooler.
Easy to test - fit a full blank plate to the EGR valve and not the head. You will get a P0400 code but if the shudder goes away you may have a leak in the cooler.
keleher wrote:If anyone can solve this I will have a carton of cold ones delivered to your door as it is doing my head in and cost me a fair bit to not solve it. Car has a very intermittent shudder like a D.D.D....D.D.D....at idle where the whole cab gets a jolt through it but I can't seem to make it happen when I have it plugged into techstream or at various mechanics or diesel specialists so they tell me she runs great. Some details:
- It started a few months ago and a swear the shudder is getting more intense
- It only happens while stationary and my foot is on the brake, if i take my foot off the brake it subsides and if i tap the accelerator or let the clutch pinch slightly it goes away. I have tested all vacuum lines and brake booster with a vacuum gun and no leaks.
- Revs don't drop
- It mostly happens after coming off the freeway but has done it in start stop heavy traffic
- It only happens when at operating temp and been driven for at least 20 mins or so
- It doesn't do it in cool weather (<15 °C) but seems to happen more frequently the warmer it is.
- No codes
- All readings in techsteam are in spec but I cant get it to play up while connected
- Injectors are all under +/-1
- Runs great when moving, no power loss
- No smoke or knock
Things I've done to no avail:
SCV
Timing belt
fuel and air filter
fuel leak test
cleaned maf
cleaned egr again
engine mounts
Serpentine belt, pulleys, tensioner
harmonic balance
alternator
Anyone got any ideas?
keleher wrote:Mrmal wrote:Check your EGR cooler. The EGR valve only opens above 15c IAT and when EGT is over 84c. If there was a slight leak of coolant in the cooler the engine will produce that momentary miss as the EGR opens and the water/vapour is sucked/blown in, blanking plate at the head will still allow any coolant leaking to enter the EGR valve as either steam or water. Saw this in a Hilux that had miss at idle and had some interesting vibrations, they did a full EGR delete (took the cooler off completely) and when they did the delete the miss went away. Only thing they could put it down to was a small leak in the cooler.
Easy to test - fit a full blank plate to the EGR valve and not the head. You will get a P0400 code but if the shudder goes away you may have a leak in the cooler.
No worries will give it a go. I had the egr off a few weeks ago to clean it again but there wasn't much build up or crusty Ness coolant usually leaves? Would this relate to the brakes in any way? It's only when I have my foot on the brake pedal it happens.
I got the torque app last night and had it on today. The egr was opening and closing like normal but the shudder didn't happen.
I noticed my maf reads .26 with the car off but the workshop manual says it should be .42. It's clean and reads within the ranges its suppose to at idle and 2000 Rev could this be the issue?
keleher wrote:2010 just hit 140k manual diesel
Mrmal wrote:Harmonic balancer is about all I can think at this point. Being at idle maybe higher up the revs it runs straight - can you get a dial indicator onto it? I know you have replaced it.
The only thing is - what are your intake and manifold charge temps like - fluctuating readings here affect injection timing and volume. One should be around ambient and the other should be a lot higher.
Mal
hippo wrote:as mention before, check harmonic balance bolt and pin might be lose. happen to me with a broken pin which created all sort of strange idle issue.
hippo wrote:inside the balance. sorry key or rectangle shaft that mount between the balancer and crank shaft.
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