OUR HILUX'S ARE DANGEROUS

[tomed13]

This test in SWEDEN (do I need to say more) shows that hilux's will tip in an extreme manover called the moose test) . So now sales of hilux's been temp. stopped in Europe ( I think) until they find out more.
http://www.teknikensvarld.se/tvtv/071031-toyota-hilux/

[redbeard]

Thats the test that flipped the original A class Benz onto its roof. Prompted a massive recall just after release. They had to widen the track of the car to counter the flip.
I still reckon if I had the mud tyres on I would just understeer into the moose...

[Richard]

That's why they are refered to as RollLuxes.

[tomed13]

I think it would be better to hunt moose til extinction

[SR5]

Don't swerve .. problem solved

[tomed13]

have you ever seen the size of a moose compared to you truck. Not origanly from norway and the first time I had one run out in front of my car it scared the s**t out of me!!!!! they are freaking huge:eek:

[Lately Lux]

So are those big red kangaroos out west and up north. I have seen them bigger than a lifted 100 series or gu. Best way to hit them is jump on the brakes untill almost on them and then let off the brakes just before impact. This obviously slows you down, but letting off the brake allows the front to spring back up and 'should' prevent the roo/moose from coming over the bonnet.

Or just don't go to Norway!

Brett

[jcarter]

I think most people are aware at how easy they could roll and that goes for my older hilux aswell.

second Vehicle pass's ok, first one fails.
My guess is lack of Traction control in that model. which is mentioned there as ESP id say, Probably an easy retrofit anyway

and was it just me or did the road seem wet in the first one....

[jcarter]

and yes id probably just hit the roo ^_^.
if i have a choice of rolling, or insurance for the front end, ill go front end, its not counted as claim vs an animal, Roll the car they are likely to say it was inappropriate driving to the conditions or some bs.

like to know someones thoughts who has done a defensive driving course recently.

and a translation of the site would be good, but cant find anysites that do swiss convs



my old daewoo has taken down 2 roo's, with very little damage (surprisingly)

[jcarter]

Translation
""
Toyota Hilux is mortally dangerous![/b]

[b]In 1997 the Mercedes A-class rolled over in an Elk test made by Teknikens Värld. Now, ten years later, is it the Toyota Hilux ”turn” to fail totally in this test!

Pickup’s have gone from being the workman’s car to be sold and marketed as family cars. Teknikens Värld has tested six pickup’s where their car like abilities i pointed out and carried in front of the sales arguments.
The Magazine makes the so called Elk test on all cars that are tested, and it is an evasive manoeuvre test that is very revealing to how a cars body is constructed. In modern cars, there is almost always active stability control (ESP), but only one of the tested pickup’s had such a system.
Toyotas pride – Hilux – failed miserably in the Elk test. Tanks to great skills and experience we managed to exactly avoid a rollover. The result is unambiguous. Under an evasive manoeuvre in normal traffic, the Toyota Hilux will roll over.
Teknikens Världs editor-in-chief Daniel Frodin now demands that Toyota must take its responsibility and as soon as possible equip the Hilux with stability control system. And naturally must the customers whom have already bought a Hilux get this retrofitted. If this isn’t done, it shows that the Japanese company is incredibly nonchalant with its customer’s life. And Teknikens Värld advice definitely against buying a Toyota Hilux before it has become safe.
Read more about the mortally dangerous Toyota Hilux and the other pickups in our test in Teknikens Värld number 23/2007. In the shops November 1. and if you prescribe already on October 31.
""

[jcarter]

""
The Toyota Hilux might drive better on 15" alloy than on 16" low profile.

The Toyota Hilux supplied by Toyota was the full trim version with the sport 16" alloys.


After the failed test Toyota blamed wrong tires for the result.
Toyota supplied the wrong tires so what an explanation. It is almost funny.

So the Magazine got Toyota to also supply them with a Toyota Hilux in standard trim on 15" standard tires.

The Magazine was now pressed for time because of their deadline, so they had to do the test on a day where the road was a little bit wet. They made the test on a different type of road, to see if this changed anything.

They still had the original Hilux on 16” wheels so they ran the test on this one first.
The result was the same as before. The Toyota fails again, and it failed again in a very nasty way.
There was no warning before it almost turned over. The back-end didn’t first slide or anything, It just suddenly started turning over.

When they did the test on the 15” version. It still failed, but this time there was a little warning. The back-end started losing grip, which made it slightly easier to recover. The Magazine concluded that this was because of the higher tire walls combined with the wet weather.
""

[9W6VX]

Wow..... whatever it is, we are driving a vehicle with a high centre of gravity!

This makes the Hilux susceptible to roll overs in extreme and sudden maneuvers.

[Tunnel Rat]

quote: {have you ever seen the size of a moose compared to you truck.}

No but I have come close to hitting a camel at 130k's the long legs bring the body up in line with the windscreen.Hit it side on doing 130kph its all over for every body in the cab.
Big tip do not drive in NT at night & you will also save wildlife.

Rat

[spyroeast]

I think we should start lowering our LUX rather than lifting it !!! If so then that goes the offroading.......it will have to be road based only !!!

[McSumWay]

I think Toyota must make compulsory the fitment of Bullbars and wider tyres...


hehehehehehe

[9W6VX]

McSumWay,

Your suggestion and recommendation is timely and appropriate.

Toyota San, are you hearing us?

[Hilux Max]

Well, my hilux is lifted 3 inches with 33 inch diameter tyres, but the track is increased by 60mm due to the wheel offsets......that should make me stable enough in the event of a moose jumping out in front of me shouldn't it?

I'd just drift right around it....LOL

Either that or hit it dead on and hope his head goes thissaway and his legs go thata way.....ah ha ha

Ive taken my hilux on some pretty steep angles without rolling....then again at speed it'd be different I guess.

If we could carry guns in our trucks legally, we could shoot the bugger as we approached him, then use him as a speedhump!!!

Im sure TOMUCH would agree with me, hey ?

[TOMUCH]

Damn straight Mmaaxx, but alas... there are not many Moose in Australia... so we realy don't have to worry about this test... or am I just reading it wrong... Cheers TOMUCH

[X-Cab]

WITH ORIGINAL WHEELS, THE HILUX IS NOT DANGEROUS!

That`s what Toyota Norway says: http://inside.toyota.no/page?id=4698&key=34836

I bet most of you can`t read it.
Anyway. Original size is: 255/70R15 7X15" +30 mm offset Alloywheels and 205R16 6X16" + 50 mm offset Steelwheels.
In the Swedish test they used 265/65R16 7X16" + 30 mm offset.

Toyota Norway says: Use the original wheel/tire size, and you are safe!

I don`t know why the Swedish used a size that nobody or just a few use.

[Doinit]

I don't know about the "moose factor" Brett, but bl^^dy hell . . . the "deer factor" along Ghost Gum Drive near my sister's place near Lake Cathie . . . . I'm at her place at the moment . . . . the deer bucks have far more weight mass than our big reds out west . . . I'd prefer to tangle with our western reds!

Cheers
Doinit