Two stroke oil in D4D

[StevenS]

Diesels will always be noisy.
Petrol engines will always be more expensive to run, as far as fuel goes, especially a loaded vehicle.
It's ashame about the past and present emission laws, but then again, who wants acid rain.
I have done the sums on this. The 1GR-FE and the 1FD-FTV are about the same in running costs.
That is with fuel and maintenance. The 1GR-FE is cheaper to maintain, but more expensive on fuel, especially when it comes to touring. The 1KD-FTV is more expensive when it comes to maintenance, but cheaper on fuel.
What you do get for free with the 1KD-FTV, is a lot more low down torque, compared to the 1GR-FE (V6).
So if you can live with the noise, that's basically about it.
You could always install an insulator off a Prado 1KD-FTV. This should give you a bit of a sound barrier.





Yes, you do have to fit a catch can into the 1KD-FTVs. That has been built into the above example. If you fit a Mann Hummel Provent 200, you won't have to clean the EGR ever again, as you are taking out the binder, the oil residue.
You also have to check the sump screen on the 1KD-FTVs, but it's no biggy.
Yes, you can also say, Talktheroo is a diesel fitter, and he would say that, wouldn't he.
Well, I happen to love the 1GR-FEs, and they are a great engine, that's for sure, but I am a diesel man, and I happen to love the noise of them. That industrial noise, I happen to love, more than the smoothness of a V6.
Call me mad if you will, but that how it is for me.
The Roo.

I'd be keen on giving the insulator a try, drove from Sydney to Brisbane in my mates diesel Prado and I was amazed at how smooth and quiet the engine was compared to my Hilux.

Interested though in how you say the diesels about the same overall to run? Essentially both can be serviced at 10k intervals, and oil plus filters are pretty much the same going from petrol to diesel. IF you assume the injectors only last to around 200,000km (a good guestimate of how long they'd last), at a cost of around $1500 from Baileys then you can figure that costing you about an extra $75 per 10k service.
Now assuming the petrol engine uses, on average, about 3L more per 100km, then that adds up to around an extra $480 in fuel per 10k service.
Even if you throw a few more things at the diesel (fuel filter etc) you've still got a long way to go before evening up the running costs between the 2.

[Ziggies]

Hi guys,
First time on the forum? Just wondering if either of you know anyone whose fitted these Baileys injectors in Brisbane and who they got to do it? I'm in need of replacing mine but need to find a decent diesel mechanic to do it.
Also the Bailey injectors seem to sound reliable... Time will tell I suppose, but they certainly stand behind the product with the excellent warranty.

[GazaShaggy]

Well I have run a few tanks with two stroke oil and you can really notice the difference on those cold mornings as I have a steep hill straight out of my driveway, mines got 26,000 on the clock.

[mchieff]

Now assuming the petrol engine uses, on average, about 3L more per 100km, then that adds up to around an extra $480 in fuel per 10k service.

Basic diesel here today is 15c dearer than 91 (not e10). Say diesel is 10l/100 and the v6 is 13l/100. Diesel cost per 10ks is 1649. Petrol cost is 1949. That's $300 more in fuel, not 480.
Don't think there's much between running the petrol and diesel once you factor it all in. Maybe $5 a week extra for the petrol (500km/wk).

[singlespeed]

Now assuming the petrol engine uses, on average, about 3L more per 100km, then that adds up to around an extra $480 in fuel per 10k service.

Basic diesel here today is 15c dearer than 91 (not e10). Say diesel is 10l/100 and the v6 is 13l/100. Diesel cost per 10ks is 1649. Petrol cost is 1949. That's $300 more in fuel, not 480.
Don't think there's much between running the petrol and diesel once you factor it all in. Maybe $5 a week extra for the petrol (500km/wk).

Kind of pointless to weigh it up, it changes almost daily. Diesel here is .03 cheaper than 91. Location is also a factor.

[rory18]

Exactly, passed a few towns heading north WA where diesel is cheaper than 91 petrol.

[singlespeed]

Back on topic:

76 liters w/ 200ml of 2-stroke oil is 380:1. I'm still on the fence about it, so far we have few folks saying it makes a difference and some saying it makes no difference at all. If anything, would think it would help a petrol vehicle a bit more than a diesel, being that diesel is already very "oily".

[swhilux]

Diesels will always be noisy.
Petrol engines will always be more expensive to run, as far as fuel goes, especially a loaded vehicle.
It's ashame about the past and present emission laws, but then again, who wants acid rain.
I have done the sums on this. The 1GR-FE and the 1FD-FTV are about the same in running costs.
That is with fuel and maintenance. The 1GR-FE is cheaper to maintain, but more expensive on fuel, especially when it comes to touring. The 1KD-FTV is more expensive when it comes to maintenance, but cheaper on fuel.
What you do get for free with the 1KD-FTV, is a lot more low down torque, compared to the 1GR-FE (V6).
So if you can live with the noise, that's basically about it.
You could always install an insulator off a Prado 1KD-FTV. This should give you a bit of a sound barrier.





Yes, you do have to fit a catch can into the 1KD-FTVs. That has been built into the above example. If you fit a Mann Hummel Provent 200, you won't have to clean the EGR ever again, as you are taking out the binder, the oil residue.
You also have to check the sump screen on the 1KD-FTVs, but it's no biggy.
Yes, you can also say, Talktheroo is a diesel fitter, and he would say that, wouldn't he.
Well, I happen to love the 1GR-FEs, and they are a great engine, that's for sure, but I am a diesel man, and I happen to love the noise of them. That industrial noise, I happen to love, more than the smoothness of a V6.
Call me mad if you will, but that how it is for me.
The Roo.

I'd be keen on giving the insulator a try, drove from Sydney to Brisbane in my mates diesel Prado and I was amazed at how smooth and quiet the engine was compared to my Hilux.

Interested though in how you say the diesels about the same overall to run? Essentially both can be serviced at 10k intervals, and oil plus filters are pretty much the same going from petrol to diesel. IF you assume the injectors only last to around 200,000km (a good guestimate of how long they'd last), at a cost of around $1500 from Baileys then you can figure that costing you about an extra $75 per 10k service.
Now assuming the petrol engine uses, on average, about 3L more per 100km, then that adds up to around an extra $480 in fuel per 10k service.
Even if you throw a few more things at the diesel (fuel filter etc) you've still got a long way to go before evening up the running costs between the 2.

Im interested in this, does it fit straight on the original rocker cover with out any mods? Do all prado's have them or select models?. I'll try and get one through the wreckers before I call Toyota and pull my pants down.

[boxhead55]

85 bucks from toyota I have fitted one to mine. It does need to be modified. Made a little difference but not huge.

[boxhead55]

You need to grind the blue arrow rise off to get it to fit under the intercooler. and drill holes at red arrows.

[StevenS]

You need to grind the blue arrow rise off to get it to fit under the intercooler. and drill holes at red arrows.

I'm sold. Have a part number?

[highoctane]

The prado probably runs alot quieter because it hasnt got a bonnet scope for the intercooler. Puttin that foil insulation tape around the firewall and under the bonnet would do wonders as far as noise goes

[boxhead55]

Yes the prado has more sound insulation. But everything helps

[Talktheroo]

The Prados are the luxury vehicle.
With comparing the 1GR-FE and the 1KD-FTV, which is always going to be a big topic or subject, my comparisons are based on the proper service schedules.
Under this service schedule, the 1KD-FTV is more expensive than the 1GR-FE. This includes the catch can, as well.
The 1GR-FE is heavier on fuel.
So, it works out about the same over a five year period.
As I said, diesel engines will always have more low down torque.
Love your arrows, BH.
The Roo.

[Bigmak]

Castrol 2T the way to go. Just add a little in your tank on each full fill up. Works a treat. Speaking from experience.

[barraboy]

I know it's not 2 stroke oil but I have just tried DT 5 by Pro -ma 1ml per litre $35 for 1l bottle and gee it does make a difference it has made my engine quieter and smoother. I was going 2 try the 2 stroke oil but come across Dt 5 by mistake. I have 09 maodel with only 44 000kms.

[boxhead55]

It sure does

[Wazza80]

Better double check the bottle. I thought that stuff you use was 1ml per litre.

[evl253]

so far I've done half a tank having raided the mower 2 stroke for 300ml. took a little bit but seems quieter & more responsive. dunno if bit harder on the juice. 225km to about a needle thickness over half a tank which seems more than normal

[barraboy]

Thanks Wazza80 yes 1ml per litre. I fixed up my post.