Second diesel fuel filter

Second diesel fuel filter

Postby Whitebull on Thu, 28 May 2015 6:36 +0000

Looking for advice on second fuel filter for my ln167 5l engine. Which kit? Install Before or after the oem? How many micron? Ease of obtaining replacement filters? Anything else to consider?
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Re: Second diesel fuel filter

Postby pykey on Sun, 06 Sep 2015 12:20 +0000

Hey Whitebull. I'm looking for the same advise so will reply to your thread with the info I have found.
I just bought a 2012 hilux with a D4D, Many have told me to fit a pre-filter or new primary filter because:
1. It's a lot cheaper than fixing blocked injectors.
2. The tolerances are so fine in the new diesels it doesn't take much to block them.
3. The factory filter is a 5 micron filter which can block easily and starve the pump.
4. The factory filter isn't good a separating water which can corrode or mess your fuel system
So looks like there's a number of good reasons to fit the extra filter.

The one recommended to me is the Flashlube product. The link is below.
Have a watch of the vid on the page, it explains a lot. And looks very easy to install yourself

http://flashlube.com/en/products/diesel-filter.html
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Re: Second diesel fuel filter

Postby propellerhead on Sun, 06 Sep 2015 2:31 +0000

Wouldn't changing the filter at half the recommended interval be a simpler option?
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Re: Second diesel fuel filter

Postby William_Foster on Sun, 06 Sep 2015 3:10 +0000

Have a look at the Diesel Care option; I've had one installed from new. The bracket fits in really nicely like an OEM unit. Further information at http://www.dieselcare.com.au/filtration-systems
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Re: Second diesel fuel filter

Postby pykey on Sun, 06 Sep 2015 4:25 +0000

Great, thanks William, I'll check those out.
Propellerhead, if particulates were the only issue then yes, you're correct.
However the factory unit does not separate water effectively (apparently) where as the after market one does. And it has the clear bulb at the base so you know when to drain.
It comes down to what you're comfortable with and a $250 insurance policy against having to replace injectors is fine by me.
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Re: Second diesel fuel filter

Postby TOYZX on Sun, 06 Sep 2015 8:41 +0000

Donaldson make a good kit. Ya have to make ya own brackets but it comes with the filter body(with glass water bowl), 2 filters,some fittings and some hose I think for about $100. Biggest reason I went with it was Donaldson stuff is very widely available and easy to get.
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Re: Second diesel fuel filter

Postby Jacko9 on Sun, 06 Sep 2015 11:00 +0000

I had a 5l-E, honestly I don't think the secondary fuel filter is neccessary, it isn't like the d4-d engine at all in my opinion, which I now own. If you want to put one in, the donaldson kit mentioned here is good for the money but doesn't have a particularly high flow rate from memory, I use them on mobile fuel trailers on our farm, and put one in a 1kz-te of my brothers, mounted it just about the tank.
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Re: Second diesel fuel filter

Postby TOYZX on Mon, 07 Sep 2015 5:29 +0000

The Donaldson kit I'm referring to is designed for common rail systems.
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Re: Second diesel fuel filter

Postby Jacko9 on Mon, 07 Sep 2015 9:58 +0000

This is the one I was referring to. From memory there are a few different options as far as the micron of the filter is concerned.

http://www.donaldson4wd.com.au/files/99 ... el_Kit.pdf
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Re: Second diesel fuel filter

Postby Blackdelux on Mon, 07 Sep 2015 10:50 +0000

Hi all
what i would like to know is exactly what micron rating is the toyota filter is in the 1kd :?: :?:
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Re: Second diesel fuel filter

Postby Jacko9 on Mon, 07 Sep 2015 11:53 +0000

I am told 5 micron, I could be wrong though?
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Re: Second diesel fuel filter

Postby incman on Mon, 07 Sep 2015 2:03 +0000

WHAT DO CAR MANUFACTURERS SAY?

Despite this advice, most car companies recommend against fitting a supplementary filter. Subaru’s David Rowley is representative of the industry attitude: “We don’t recommend any filtering beyond what’s supplied from new and would advise customers to check with their dealer or our customer call centre regarding any potential warranty implications if they are considering after-market changes.”

few others comment as well

https://practicalmotoring.com.au/car-ad ... e-at-risk/
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Re: Second diesel fuel filter

Postby Jacko9 on Mon, 07 Sep 2015 2:16 +0000

I am more inclined to agree with someone like baileys diesel group, someone who fixes the stuff ups of fuel systems.
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Re: Second diesel fuel filter

Postby TOYZX on Mon, 07 Sep 2015 5:17 +0000

Very true Jacko9, where I work we see a shit load of the new 4x4s(of all makes) sold in town b4 the new owners take delivery and well over half of them get a second filter fitted at the recommendation of the dealership!
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Re: Second diesel fuel filter

Postby Pete22 on Mon, 07 Sep 2015 5:21 +0000

As I had a Water Watch system fitted to my Navara for 9 years and it worked an absolute treat I have decided to install one in my new Hilux. It is being fitted by Ulladulla Toyota next week so will post some photos when that is done. You can read a bit more about Water Watch here: http://www.responsiveengineering.com.au/images/waterwatch2.pdf
This piece of kit is designed and built by Responsive Engineering which is a subset of Cooma Diesel I believe.
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Re: Second diesel fuel filter

Postby incman on Tue, 08 Sep 2015 8:47 +0000

I'd get written advice from your dealer that it won't void your warranty, if it still has warranty, no matter what a 3rd party mechanic says.

If your truck is out of manufacturer warranty then do what you want I guess
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Re: Second diesel fuel filter

Postby Pete22 on Tue, 08 Sep 2015 2:17 +0000

incman wrote:I'd get written advice from your dealer that it won't void your warranty, if it still has warranty, no matter what a 3rd party mechanic says.

If your truck is out of manufacturer warranty then do what you want I guess


Another reason as to why I'm fitting Water Watch..........it is the only device being fitted by my Toyota dealer. Water Watch is installed into the line between the tank and the OEM filter....it has no restrictions or other filters in it but is a water trap that provides greater capacity to trap and release water in the fuel than the OEM filter does.
Toyota Australia would have God own trouble if they tried to deny warranty because you had this type of extra protection fitted.
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Re: Second diesel fuel filter

Postby pykey on Mon, 14 Sep 2015 10:13 +0000

I just installed the Diesel Care option William_Foster recommended at the top of the thread.
It took about 40 minutes and all the required parts come with it for $315: Bracket, pipes, clamps, bolts the works. Even a guide to install.
I rate it highly. Good advise William thank you. :D
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Re: Second diesel fuel filter

Postby Talktheroo on Mon, 14 Sep 2015 10:48 +0000

Dealerships and Toyota Australia wouldn't be game to apply that in a court room unless it's a 2 micron system.
30 micron Fuel Manager kit with the laser cut bracket is the go. Clear bowl down the bottom so you can see if you have copped the water in the fuel thing, perfect.
30 micron filter first, then to the Toyota fuel filter assembly, which is 5 micron in the KUN26 Hiluxes.
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Re: Second diesel fuel filter

Postby William_Foster on Mon, 14 Sep 2015 1:35 +0000

pykey wrote:I just installed the Diesel Care option William_Foster recommended at the top of the thread.
It took about 40 minutes and all the required parts come with it for $315: Bracket, pipes, clamps, bolts the works. Even a guide to install.
I rate it highly. Good advise William thank you. :D


No problems, glad it worked out for you. I love the OEM look of it compared to some on the market.
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