2013 D4D turbo upgrade

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Re: 2013 D4D turbo upgrade

Postby boxhead55 on Fri, 29 Nov 2013 5:32 +0000

X2 on Roos coment
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Re: 2013 D4D turbo upgrade

Postby Gulfstream8 on Sat, 30 Nov 2013 6:10 +0000

Yep - gone are the days of engines like the 2JZ that were so over engineered you could make a mistake.

You guys have seen inside the 1KD so I think it's worth taking your advice. At the end of the day this is a worktruck.

But also hats of to "speakeasy" for taking this massive step so the rest of us can see the limits of the 1KD.
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Re: 2013 D4D turbo upgrade

Postby JUSTAUTOS on Sat, 30 Nov 2013 10:23 +0000

I see there is a far point made with the 1kd. ANY Diesel engine tuned incorrect or has injection problems will not last very long. That being said the newer common rail diesel are using a different breed of medals and are able to reach higher temp un like the older diesel. I have seen a d40 come in before with 800deg std temps, with tuning it drop right down to a safe level.
We have been pushing these 1kd and so far with no problems and good results that being said only time will tell. I'm a big believer that they will be fine but that's my own opion based on working on these engine for years. I have seen many 1kd that have blown and all where std so I can see why they could get a bad name.
Take the Nissan patrol zd30 people believe it's a weak engine but the problem they had was with the air flow meter not the engine. We have pushed them by hard and they never missed a beat just the common rail side of this with Bosch system is very weak. 250rwhp on 35inch tyres. All I can say is Chips are bad unless they have been checked on a Dyno and that TUNING is the key to safe reliable power.
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Re: 2013 D4D turbo upgrade

Postby Gulfstream8 on Sun, 01 Dec 2013 7:41 +0000

Hello JUSTAUTOS

I totally respect the great information put forward by people like Boxhead as he is working on our Hilux's everyday. I also think its a timely warning by "The Roo" about chips as a lot of people think the 1KD is indestructible then put one of these cheap chips on then criticise the Toyota brand when they have a problem.

But because I love all things engineering I'm following what your doing with interest.

I think your timing with a Turbo upgrade and quality HKS ECU upgrade for the Hilux is perfect.

Especially with the fact people are considering the Ford Ranger.

I think your success with this will be not to make the same mistakes the aftermarket guys made with the 1GR-FE V6 where they offered kits that were not truly bolt on and were using piggy backs that most people were not confident to take far out bush.

If you can offer a reliable and true bolt on kit with the HKS F-Con already tuned I think you will be on a winner.
Also I would offer a kit say at 155kw and 500nw at flywheel - just higher than the Ranger but not at a point where you are making so much power it's temperamental.

You have to develop a bolt on kit that people are still comfortable to take bush - after all this is a work truck and not a race car.

Just my view and I hope I have not offended.

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Re: 2013 D4D turbo upgrade

Postby JUSTAUTOS on Sun, 01 Dec 2013 11:14 +0000

Your %100 right I'm more for drivable than a figure on a sheet thanks for your input.
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Re: 2013 D4D turbo upgrade

Postby Talktheroo on Tue, 03 Dec 2013 8:28 +0000

JUSTAUTOS wrote:I see there is a far point made with the 1kd. ANY Diesel engine tuned incorrect or has injection problems will not last very long. That being said the newer common rail diesel are using a different breed of medals and are able to reach higher temp un like the older diesel. I have seen a d40 come in before with 800deg std temps, with tuning it drop right down to a safe level.
We have been pushing these 1kd and so far with no problems and good results that being said only time will tell. I'm a big believer that they will be fine but that's my own opion based on working on these engine for years. I have seen many 1kd that have blown and all where std so I can see why they could get a bad name.
Take the Nissan patrol zd30 people believe it's a weak engine but the problem they had was with the air flow meter not the engine. We have pushed them by hard and they never missed a beat just the common rail side of this with Bosch system is very weak. 250rwhp on 35inch tyres. All I can say is Chips are bad unless they have been checked on a Dyno and that TUNING is the key to safe reliable power.

So what brand of piston would you be running?
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Re: 2013 D4D turbo upgrade

Postby jaybags on Tue, 03 Dec 2013 8:41 +0000

x2 with what Gulf said. Couldn't have said it better myself, and the people putting in the hard yards to get these things right don't get enough credit.
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Re: 2013 D4D turbo upgrade

Postby Bigs1976 on Tue, 31 Dec 2013 10:08 +0000

From talking to the guys at Diesel Care my understanding is that a Steinbauer coupled with a 3" exhaust is a very safe option, any thoughts?
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Re: 2013 D4D turbo upgrade

Postby Talktheroo on Tue, 31 Dec 2013 11:23 +0000

Bigs1976 wrote:From talking to the guys at Diesel Care my understanding is that a Steinbauer coupled with a 3" exhaust is a very safe option, any thoughts?

Yep, nothing wrong with that combo, outside of warranty, of cause.
Steinbauer is the best performance module out there for this engine (1KD-FTV).
It's just my opinion.
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Re: 2013 D4D turbo upgrade

Postby Bigs1976 on Tue, 31 Dec 2013 2:48 +0000

Thanks Roo. Diesel Care have recently developed a module with a 'boost box" to handle the spool up speed with the 3" exhaust. I think warning lights were a problem in the past with the 3" exhaust prior to the new module with the boost box. I'm also considering an intercooler from PWR and possibly a radiator too. With the truck being 500kg heavier (unloaded) than when I picked it up she's quite a lot slower. I'm hoping the chip, exhaust and intercooler will bring back to standard feel if not better...
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Re: 2013 D4D turbo upgrade

Postby Sydney on Sat, 18 Jan 2014 9:48 +0000

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Re: 2013 D4D turbo upgrade

Postby Talktheroo on Tue, 28 Jan 2014 8:59 +0000

Bigs1976 wrote:Thanks Roo. Diesel Care have recently developed a module with a 'boost box" to handle the spool up speed with the 3" exhaust. I think warning lights were a problem in the past with the 3" exhaust prior to the new module with the boost box. I'm also considering an intercooler from PWR and possibly a radiator too. With the truck being 500kg heavier (unloaded) than when I picked it up she's quite a lot slower. I'm hoping the chip, exhaust and intercooler will bring back to standard feel if not better...

The problem with a lot of 3" dump pipes out there, is that they are straight through, without having a step. The newer turbos need a bit of back pressure to operate correctly.
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Re: 2013 D4D turbo upgrade

Postby chrismaujean on Tue, 18 Feb 2014 4:00 +0000

Hi there,

I have a 2005 D4D hilux with a DP chip...I am in the process of selling this car for the latest 2014 model. Can anyone tell me if the old chip will plug into the new one?

I believe they are the same engine?

thanks
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Re: 2013 D4D turbo upgrade

Postby JUSTAUTOS on Wed, 19 Feb 2014 4:53 +0000

no mate this will not work
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Re: 2013 D4D turbo upgrade

Postby Jack-A-Rooster on Thu, 17 Apr 2014 5:43 +0000

Good on you!!
Your lux your way!!
Fcuk warranty
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Re: 2013 D4D turbo upgrade

Postby Gulfstream8 on Thu, 17 Apr 2014 2:42 +0000

Talktheroo wrote:
Bigs1976 wrote:Thanks Roo. Diesel Care have recently developed a module with a 'boost box" to handle the spool up speed with the 3" exhaust. I think warning lights were a problem in the past with the 3" exhaust prior to the new module with the boost box. I'm also considering an intercooler from PWR and possibly a radiator too. With the truck being 500kg heavier (unloaded) than when I picked it up she's quite a lot slower. I'm hoping the chip, exhaust and intercooler will bring back to standard feel if not better...

The problem with a lot of 3" dump pipes out there, is that they are straight through, without having a step. The newer turbos need a bit of back pressure to operate correctly.
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At 3” or bigger on a standard D4 Turbo the standard waste gate is not big enough to be able to slow the Turbo Down.

You then end up with over boost spikes plus very hot intake temps because you are now on the other side of the efficient operating parameters of this standard Turbo.
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Re: 2013 D4D turbo upgrade

Postby Pete'90 on Sun, 04 May 2014 1:51 +0000

speakeasy, hey mate, how is the lux going..
have you had any issues with your rear leaf shackle on the exhaust side touching the resonator on the rear tail pipe when you drop the right wheel? I had my exhaust fitted (pacemaker) and it looks as if/and when i drop the rear wheel it will rub on the resonator. This is standard suspension too
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Re: 2013 D4D turbo upgrade

Postby Lux013 on Sat, 10 May 2014 8:18 +0000

Hey mate just enjoyed reading the progress of your hilux upgrade.
I too upgraded the turbo on my 03 1kz engine with a AXT kit and was such a shit fit. Nothing worked as it was supossidly designed too.

Good luck and will keep an eye in your future updates
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Re: 2013 D4D turbo upgrade

Postby millsi on Tue, 20 May 2014 8:55 +0000

How did this end up going?
Ps, it's a ute not a truck!
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Re: 2013 D4D turbo upgrade

Postby Mrmal on Wed, 07 Oct 2015 2:50 +0000

For what it is worth we are currently working on a way of using the stock turbo with a pressure actuator. Benefit of this is you set the max boost with the pressure spring and it holds that boost from spool right the way through. Currently running a 20psi actuator and seeing it top out at 23.5 psi. The standard actuator cuts the boost in the higher rev range - with this actuator we can run more fuel and develop more power.

At 110kph I am seeing a little over 14psi of boost which is double what the old actuator put out - the EGT's dropped at least 90c. Oh and the old actuator stays in place so the computer happily thinks its working whilst the voltage clamp and the pressure actuator do its thing....... how do you post a pic?
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