need tyre placard to suit upgraded tyresgone from 16' to 17'

[leghorn]

can some one please post a good picture of a 2012 sr hilux tyre placard and/or sr5 tyre placard so I can print it out myself I live in the middle of know where I don't plan on driving into town any time soon.. also include measurements length, width e.t.c in mm so I can duplicate the actual sticker itself, will leave post here for others to find also.. thanks for any help

[john253a]

You shouldn't require a different one,
in vic rim size means little to nothing only tyre size,
As long as your tyre doesn't stick outside the car and your under 32" your legal

[leghorn]

but I have put 17's 265/65 on hilux my placard says I should have 16's 205/C etc, if I get pulled over and checked they will see incorrect type of wheel fitted

[leghorn]

it raised my car 35mm approx.

[john253a]

Your slowed 50mm of lift and 25mm of tyre lift
A 265/65r17 is a 30.6"
Your car is 100% legal with that tyre reguardles of placard
Is it legal on the rims offset I'm not sure as you haven't said the offset,

As long as they are inside the guards or you have flares to cover them the tyre will give u no issues with with one

I have posted in other tyre post ncop11 4.2.10 links to prove this (or google it)
You can go upto 305 /315wide

[nicebike]

You shouldn't require a different one,
in vic rim size means little to nothing only tyre size,
As long as your tyre doesn't stick outside the car and your under 32" your legal

Correct ! (except maybe for offset, which john253a has mentioned later) And the base line for tyre size is the tallest fitted by the manufacturer to that vehicle series/model. This means KUN26/N70, not SR versus SR5 of the the same series.

The occasional plod may disagree about the placard, but it wouldn't be the first time that Plod has been wrong on technical matters

[nicebike]

it raised my car 35mm approx.

Not unless your 205/16s were bald and seriously underinflated

[thatguy]

You shouldn't require a different one,
in vic rim size means little to nothing only tyre size,
As long as your tyre doesn't stick outside the car and your under 32" your legal

Correct ! (except maybe for offset, which john253a has mentioned later) And the base line for tyre size is the tallest fitted by the manufacturer to that vehicle series/model. This means KUN26/N70, not SR versus SR5 of the the same series.

The occasional plod may disagree about the placard, but it wouldn't be the first time that Plod has been wrong on technical matters

Do you know if this is for Queensland as well?

Cheers.

[nicebike]

All this stuff is broadly controlled by ADRs, which are national.

The individual states will have MINOR differences, depending on how they wish to interpret or apply the ADRs. Minor differences can be the sometimes very tiny difference between legal and illegal.

The only way to satisfy yourself that you are complying 1000% with the rules for your state is to find the black and white regulations for your state. This isn't hard.

[fracturedranga]

You shouldn't require a different one,
in vic rim size means little to nothing only tyre size,
As long as your tyre doesn't stick outside the car and your under 32" your legal

Correct ! (except maybe for offset, which john253a has mentioned later) And the base line for tyre size is the tallest fitted by the manufacturer to that vehicle series/model. This means KUN26/N70, not SR versus SR5 of the the same series.

The occasional plod may disagree about the placard, but it wouldn't be the first time that Plod has been wrong on technical matters

Does this mean that due to the trd lux coming out with 265/65r17 factory (30.6) i can legally run my 285/75/16s (if there worn 2mm) I havent had an issue in the year ive been running them but uave had 2 tyre fitters now tell me there illegal while getting then balanced lol

[john253a]

No because the trd had different braking system,
And it must be same model

[thatguy]

All this stuff is broadly controlled by ADRs, which are national.

The individual states will have MINOR differences, depending on how they wish to interpret or apply the ADRs. Minor differences can be the sometimes very tiny difference between legal and illegal.

The only way to satisfy yourself that you are complying 1000% with the rules for your state is to find the black and white regulations for your state. This isn't hard.

Thanks, so I found this:

"must not be more than 50mm larger or 26mm smaller than that of any tyre designated by the vehicle manufacturer for that vehicle."

does that mean for my specific vehicle which came out with a 225/70/r17? or does that include the SR5 which has a 265/65/r17? So 50mm larger is legal?

Cheers.

[Gipsy]

Well the tyre placard is specific to each vehicle so if there is a difference between vehicle models and their placards there is your answer. If you have sr5 and the TRD or SR placard is different then trust the placard on your vehicle.

[nicebike]

Well the tyre placard is specific to each vehicle so if there is a difference between vehicle models and their placards there is your answer. If you have sr5 and the TRD or SR placard is different then trust the placard on your vehicle.

Gipsy, it's the interpretation of "model" that is causing a wrong conclusion on your part and concern on the part of the OP. Sorry, I can't post links, and I'm not usually a believer in using my download to find info that is freely available to anyone :-

BUT - Check this out:

Victorian Vehicle Standards Information. Guide for Modifications for Motor Vehicles. Bulletin 8 (current)

Google it and read it and you will find references to "specified by the vehicle manufacturer for that model OR VEHICLE SERIES

A manufacturer is not going to put a placard on that covers every variation fitted to the entire range of variants within a VEHICLE SERIES. There are enough clowns putting the wrong tyres on the wrong rims etc as is

Clearly, in Victoria, what john253a stated is correct, and the placard is irrelevant to modifications, except perhaps for speed and load ratings, and even that may be covered elsewhere.

I repeat - when in doubt, go to the source. In this case, the source is Vic Roads.

[Gipsy]

But surely if there is no difference between models Toyota wouldn't print different placards for each model? The Australian design regulations are what defines the regulations for each model. If it is a KUN26 that would be the model or series surely?

I do agree with John and nice bike the regulations are subject to interpretation but in reality the police who pull you over issue the ticket and you then need to spend your money to fight it! I think we see too many examples of ridiculous tyre sizes so if you use common sense you should be OK depending on the cop on the day. And also....tyre fitters are not necessarily any authority on regulations.

[nicebike]

Model ! Vehicle Series ! Did you read the bulletin ? Can you find a mention of variations from the placard being not allowed ?

My 2014 SR placard has only one tyre size. My handbook has two.

Workmate, SR, SR5 are all the one vehicle series. The variations are essentially trim and fruit options on the same platform and mechanicals. The fact that we, and most people refer to them as "models" may well be what led to the clarification "vehicle series" in the VR bulletin.

[Gipsy]

Wow sorry mate... no offense intended there, just making a point. Did you read my 2nd sentence? I think the placard is just that, a placard, just like the airbag notice, the regulations are elsewhere and subject to interpretation.

If the tyres look too big they probably are, but it is the police who decide to give the ticket and then you fight in court if you disagree. If you want to fly under the radar you won't be likely to be issued a ticket.

Cheers G

[nicebike]

Wow sorry mate... no offense intended there, just making a point. Did you read my 2nd sentence? I think the placard is just that, a placard, just like the airbag notice, the regulations are elsewhere and subject to interpretation.

If the tyres look too big they probably are, but it is the police who decide to give the ticket and then you fight in court if you disagree. If you want to fly under the radar you won't be likely to be issued a ticket.

Cheers G

No offense taken. Perhaps I chose my words a little less carefully than usual

I read your 2nd sentence and certainly agree with it, particularly flying under the radar, which is why I run 245/70/17 on standard 17/7.5P30. If I felt that I needed more, I wouldn't hesitate to go bigger and wider, which I can legally do in Vic., but I don't, so I wont. Although I am quite well equipped to be polite, accept the ticket if unavoidable, then go home and sort it out, I also would prefer to avoid that scenario.

Back on topic, the Bulletin makes it pretty clear that the OP should have no problems with 265/65/17, which is what was available on SR5s and on some SRs, unless he exceeds allowable track increase or has rubber hanging out of his guards.

I hope he putting those 265/65 on toyo 17/7.5 P30 or some aftermarket 17/7 or 8 with appropriate offset. I am seeing a few 245/70/17 on the stock 17/6s and that is just not smart. Probably due the lack of choice in 225/70/17, but still not smart for a few reasons, one of which is legality.

[Gipsy]

Agreed! If the tyre size is KUN26 size +2'' all should be OK provided they don't protrude. But as I said, if they look too big they probably are

[john253a]

I think people are not understanding it correctly
It say series, so yes that means sr, sr5, trd, but you need read on,
Take the 08 sr5 it has abs, sr doesn't, so that model, series cannot be crossovers, it also means the petrol, deisel cannot due to different braking parameters,
Series/ model only apply when everything is upgraded to meat that series,
So if you fit trd brakes/rotors all round, and also upgrade other items to suit, like if it had a bigger gear box or something along those lines you can then use that series/ model to go off,
The only way to be 100% legal is to calculate useing the factory fitted Packard ie 205r16c

A 205r16c is in fact 205/82r16 the closest tyre to it is 205/80r16
So you have what is very close to 29"

Now under ncop11 4.2.10
205 starting width max allowance is 1.5x =307 so either 295/305
With a max rim size of 10" 65-80 series or 11" below 60

Section needs 4.2.11 allows a 50mm increase in rim width
Factory was p30 (I think it is less for split) max offset is p5 wheels witch isn't very common so many choose p10
Maxing out the 50mm width increase

Now I can't remember the sections (it's in 14 somewhere) for tyre size increase but your allows 2" without engineeres, so factory is 29" alowing you to go to 31"
But with engineeres it's still 2" over stock or 2" over stock for axel used
So even with engineeres 33" is not legal without fitting axles and complete braking system from another car factory fitted with 31" tyres, unless you engineer as an ICV,

I hope this doesn't confuse you more