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Hilux 2017 SR5 Dual Cab - Tow Capacity Upgrade

Postby mmedina on Sun, 13 Oct 2019 1:00 +0000

Hi all,

I have not been able to find anything anywhere about this topic, so here is the question:

Can I upgrade the tow capacity of the 2017 Hilux to 3500kg?

If so, is it done together with a GVM upgrade?

If so, is there a company your recommend in SA to do this work?

I am a little concerned about what John Cadogan says about heavy towing, etc... good video and very informative- just no good news here, but still I recommend people watch it to learn about GVM/GCM/ATM and many more acronyms...

https://youtu.be/swUDFWQ5QhI

Thank you for your help.


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Re: Hilux 2017 SR5 Dual Cab - Tow Capacity Upgrade

Postby HK1837 on Sun, 13 Oct 2019 6:03 +0000

I don’t think you can. I’ve tried with my 2011 to go from 2250 to 2500 but can’t do it. You’d think if you could do it anywhere it’d be on the earlier ones as Toyota told the truth on these as the towing capacity is quoted at full GVW ( basically GCM = GVW + towing capacity). My argument was I should be able to borrow towing capacity from my GVW and still keep the same GCM, but no go. With 2016 on Toyota have already done this for you meaning the real towing capacity of your 2017 is 2600kg (auto, claimed 3200kg) or 2850kg (manual, claimed 3500kg). So you are behind the eight ball to start with as I believe you cannot change the GCM. If you increased the towing capacity even by a few 100kg you’d have no GVW left for a driver!
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Re: Hilux 2017 SR5 Dual Cab - Tow Capacity Upgrade

Postby William_Foster on Sun, 13 Oct 2019 8:56 +0000

Unfortunately according to the South Australia government website you are unable to upgrade the towing capacity or gross combination mass in that State (https://www.sa.gov.au/topics/driving-an ... -re-rating).

I'd highly recommend speaking with a national provider like Lovells or Pedders before going ahead with modifications as they know all the legislation for the different states/territories. My Hilux has now been re-registered in four states/territories since the upgrade, and am so glad I went with a national provider every time I sit down to the modified vehicle paperwork.
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Re: Hilux 2017 SR5 Dual Cab - Tow Capacity Upgrade

Postby grunf on Mon, 14 Oct 2019 10:35 +0000

You can only do GVM upgrade. Not GCM.
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Re: Hilux 2017 SR5 Dual Cab - Tow Capacity Upgrade

Postby HK1837 on Tue, 15 Oct 2019 3:36 +0000

^^Which effectively reduces your towing capacity! The opposite of what I wanted to do ie towing upgrade but reduce GVW.
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Re: Hilux 2017 SR5 Dual Cab - Tow Capacity Upgrade

Postby grunf on Tue, 15 Oct 2019 6:31 +0000

GVW = GVM?
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Re: Hilux 2017 SR5 Dual Cab - Tow Capacity Upgrade

Postby HK1837 on Tue, 15 Oct 2019 11:04 +0000

I’m used to using GVW as it is what GMH used on the safety compliance plates of HT through to WB. The reduced GVW is a good indicator for identifying a subset of HJ to HZ Sandmans (those fitted with passenger vehicle tyres to reduce their payload to 10cwt (approx 500kg) to make their rego cheaper). These have a lower GVW than the ones fitted with load rated tyres.

Like a lot of these terms used by GM (and thus GMH) like GVW and VIN, someone decided later on to change them for general use across the board just to confuse everyone! So GVW became GVM and/or GVWR, VIN went from an internal GM thing on one ID plate to become what used to be called Chassis Number. Plus others probably.
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Re: Hilux 2017 SR5 Dual Cab - Tow Capacity Upgrade

Postby DaPoonsGotTang on Thu, 17 Oct 2019 5:37 +0000

That bloke is no auto expert, I wouldn’t be using him for car advice. I watched a few videos of his years ago & disagreed with everything he said & seeing as though he thinks hilux’s are shitboxes I think everyone here would agree at least on some fronts.

As far as towing goes, my 2cents is that you shouldn’t be towing anything that weighs more than the vehicle in front of it. If you must then you should have a trailer sway system on the trailer as well as a load leveling hitch & possibly a direct prayer line to god for when some tool cuts you off in traffic in the wet & chucks the brakes on. I tow a trailer for work & have done for 25yrs. It’s about equal weight but if the Ute is unladen it’s about 50-100kg heavier. Even at that weight, it’s not a good time under less than ideal circumstances. I often tow in 4H in wet conditions. There’s no way in the world I’d tow 3.5t behind a Hilux. I’d buy a cruiser or a ram.
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Re: Hilux 2017 SR5 Dual Cab - Tow Capacity Upgrade

Postby HK1837 on Thu, 17 Oct 2019 9:06 +0000

I agree. My Hilux weighs about 2200kg with me in it. I wouldn’t want to be towing more than 2300kg or so and mine has the biggest brakes that will fit in 17” rims.

For 3500kg you want a Ram1500, and probably the one with the lower ratio rear axle. Even that is too much for a Landcruiser if you want to fit more than a driver and a can of coke in the car.
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Re: Hilux 2017 SR5 Dual Cab - Tow Capacity Upgrade

Postby ggreenie on Thu, 17 Oct 2019 9:16 +0000

DaPoonsGotTang wrote:That bloke is no auto expert, I wouldn’t be using him for car advice.

Abso-fkn-lutely. He’s a flog. He’s an “auto expert” the same way I’m an astrophysicist.
HK1837 wrote:I agree. My Hilux weighs about 2200kg with me in it. I wouldn’t want to be towing more than 2300kg or so and mine has the biggest brakes that will fit in 17” rims.

For 3500kg you want a Ram1500, and probably the one with the lower ratio rear axle. Even that is too much for a Landcruiser if you want to fit more than a driver and a can of coke in the car.

I completely agree. It’s astounding how many people get all bent out of shape that the auto hilux can only tow 3.2T. That’s one hell of a boat.
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Re: Hilux 2017 SR5 Dual Cab - Tow Capacity Upgrade

Postby HK1837 on Thu, 17 Oct 2019 10:20 +0000

I regularly tow my car float with a Holden of some sort on it. It is rated at 3000kg but the whole trailer weighs maybe 2250kg with a heavier 70’s Holden like a 5.0L Premier. It has 4 wheel electric brakes. You can feel it really pushing the Hilux around. Whilst a Supercharged V6 Hilux tows it easily it does struggle on occasions, and that is simply not enough mass in the Hilux. With the towball weight on it the car would be 2500kg and the trailer axle load 2000kg or so. I would really like a Ram1500 size vehicle to be totally happy with even 2500kg. The highway diff Ram1500 is good for about 2800kg fully loaded from memory. There is no way I’d put even 3000kg behind a Hilux, not even a V6 one.
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