Need an active ignition trigger on Pin 2 of trailer plug

[Gipsy]

Martyn, I really think this is degenerating to a facile childish argument! So you're apparently a 'qualified auto electrician' and good for you making lots of cash out of poor suckers who try to fix their own vehicles. You really miss the point and prove it at the same time. Many here are just trying to understand our Hilux and fix problems where possible but your attitude is precisely why 'professionals' are no longer trusted. I have recently seen your posts regarding transmissions and oils so are you also a transmission professional or engine specialist? Or maybe your qualifications extend to hydrodynamics or thermodynamics also?
We are all here on the forum for a variety of reasons, some seeking advice, some rendering assistance from either expertise or experience. You do NOT know my qualifications or experience or in fact expertise so please try to avoid lecturing us here on why we should take our vehicles to a 'professional' only to be ripped-off by someone who is only in it for the cash! For that matter, how do we know that you are really a 'professional auto sparky'? You could be just like anyone else here without knowledge, qualification or expertise!
After all that, please remember Martyn, your contribution here is valued despite your obvious dislike for the backyard mechanic and contempt for anyone who might know as much or even more than you do!

Just an afterthought here... Amateur fishing is the most popular sport in Australia! Should we say to those fishermen "leave it to the professionals"?

[martynvella]

Goodluck guys

[Gipsy]

Says it all some people think they are the 'suppository' of all knowledge and others know nothing. If the cap fits...

[Mudgee mud]

Again you are trashing members advice and input. This is very clear now . I suggest you chat to the forums admin telling them they should remove all such "advice wanted ", "information type sections , and see how you go!
So i now i expect to never see you give any info, advice, tips and tricks other than .. take it to the sparky, mechanic,
Or specialist.. keep that standard up.

[dave g]

Y do you's have to keep turning things into a Bitch fight.

[Gipsy]

Dave, some people just don't get it that there are many reasons why we are on this forum, most of us are civil and some are not. I just call it out when I see it. We all have something to seek or share and some like to put others down with their superior knowledge (assuming they have some). Pity we can't all get along here but I guess this new form of "cancel culture" is about claiming the superhero status at the expense of all others. Nobody really knows who the expert is, it's just some claim to be the only one!

[Mudgee mud]

This thread started off in a cryptic way of what was wanted to be achieved. And when it comes down to bush power set ups, there is a million different desires and ways of doing it.
A Nd it always comes back to a formula of budget and desired needs etc.
And desired needs can change with new informed knowledge. And knowledge can save you a bundle of cash.
The best of fully qualified auto electricians can only work off your expectations. Some might be clued up bush power and advise you to add this,...
The last camper trailer I recently built started off with a basic dc-dc redarc . The customer always showed up once a week with beers Friday arvo. And over a few months and many beers...and BS'ing. It grew and grew. Because the customer did not really know what he needed and what was available. And that maybe classified as "pub talk" by some it seems. Try this with your sparky for two hours and he will bill you for it. Just because they are a sparky by trade dose not mean they are clued up on bush power set ups. And I've seen many a crap job done by qualified auto sparkys. And I never watch just one upload on youtube and believe that is the gospel way of doing anything. There is plenty of advice out there of how to go about things.
But ultimately it is up to oneself to filter through it all. Even if one not confident to carry out such work, but gained knowledge of what they need or desire. They are on a better track than before.

[Mudgee mud]

Y do you's have to keep turning things into a Bitch fight.

I definitely didn't want such at all hey.
I'm a total newbie to diesel motors and Hilux's and this forum.
And there is nothing wrong being an 18 year old newbie asking really basic questions.
But I'm not a newbie to forums ,some members attitudes and life. And I'm not 18 unfortunately anymore!
Just an old school old fart that calls out "a spade a spade" when I think justified.
And I have spent endless hours gladly helping other people on another irrelevant forum, and met in person from such making great friends.
But I have seen good forums collapse because of just a few.
This few intimidate new members from joining and they only either skip the forum all together, or not join in and contribute their knowledge and just watch as a visitor. Thus forums / members lose out.
Not here to bitch. But not my style to cop it from those few.
Think it's an ego thing for them.
Sorry in advance!

[Mudgee mud]

I thought he was looking for a wire for a trigger switch. To turn on the redarc

The positive (+) cable from the cranking/ primary battery to the redarc unit will turn it it on automatically when the correct voltage is achieved. This often achieved most of the time whilst running. Thus this cable is the triggering wire to turn on.
Done automatically. Built in. No other signal wire is needed.
Unless one wanted to be able to draw current from the cranking/ primary battery of the vehicle.
Not really a great idea for extended time. ( flat cranking battery in whoop whoop)
But to accomplish such,... given there is a direct feed from the cranking battery to a fused Anderson plug at the rear.
There will not be sufficient power to switch the solenoid on with redarc design. Thus a by pass switch before the redarc unit must be fitted. This will power the camper van whilst stationary.
But has more draw backs than advantages.
With the basic redarc dc-dc solenoid set ups, they come standard with a blue wire off to the side.
These recarc units have a built in diode that only allows power to pass through it, but not return power backwards from your auxiliary battery. A one way street of current.
This blue wire if hooked up to a momentarily switch ( only works whilst depressed) in your dashboard, allows you draw current from your auxiliary battery and bypass this diode. So very handy if you get a flat cranking battery!
BUT NEVER EVER USE THIS OPTION if you do not have the Auxiliary battery in the engine bay fitted with normal sized battery leads (1000 amp +) rated. Or you will melt the average sized 50-> 80amp cable going to your auxiliary battery. Average diesel cranking output might be around 750amps to kick it over in draw current! Gunna smoke those cables ! Pop and melt the fuse at best.
Never bank/ charge two different types/sizes or aged auxiliary batteries together.
Always an exact pair of same age. Put a 3 position switch in and charge independently.
Battery A, off, battery B.
Why, one may get fully charged before the other, thus you will/can boil it before the other is fully charged, even if your charger has a built-in turn off switch. As it can't recognise one is fully charged, as the other is flat/ signal. They will balance out, but not if the charge rate is faster than the balance rate.

[Mudgee mud]

Goodluck guys

Is this a boohoo moment?
What is your certified qualification trade? I see none?

[Gipsy]

Mudgee, thanks for your detailed explanation of bcdc and such. This is precisely the information being sought from Gruffalo and I think he would agree. I certainly gained a lot from your detailed explanation and gained from your own experience/expertise.
It's a real pity that certain folks always resort to the put-down or refer you to an 'expert' despite their own claim of expertise. This is of course not unique to this forum as I have also had direct experience. It's also a real pity that those who do the put-down also make others reluctant to offer their contribution to the issue. Nobody here really knows who is qualified or who has expertise, the forum is primarily about an exchange of ideas.

[Bushwalker8]

I just had a look through a number of martynvella posts across many threads and he clearly has a very high level of expertise.....and spends a lot of time of the forum helping others out and as expected the responses show high levels of appreciation.

That's what forums are about and hope such a highly regarded member hasn't been dissuaded from contributing value to this forum from the poor attitudes and offensive nonsense here.

[Gipsy]

I totally agree, but it is also important for all of us to pay respect for each other despite our level of expertise or experience. I also agree, Martyn has contributed very much to the forum and I hope he continues, but please remember this forum is for all participants and we should always consider the impact of our comments whether qualified or not. Not all ideas and information here is correct or true but ultimately it is an individual's responsibility to make their own decisions based on information contained on the forum. An old saying: There are many ways to skin a cat. Truth is in the eye of the beholder and what is true for some may not be true for others.

[Gipsy]

I just had a look through a number of martynvella posts across many threads and he clearly has a very high level of expertise.....and spends a lot of time of the forum helping others out and as expected the responses show high levels of appreciation.

That's what forums are about and hope such a highly regarded member hasn't been dissuaded from contributing value to this forum from the poor attitudes and offensive nonsense here.

Absolutely!

[Mudgee mud]

I just had a look through a number of martynvella posts across many threads and he clearly has a very high level of expertise.....and spends a lot of time of the forum helping others out and as expected the responses show high levels of appreciation.

That's what forums are about and hope such a highly regarded member hasn't been dissuaded from contributing value to this forum from the poor attitudes and offensive nonsense here.

Good Informative post are great for any forum members , and greatly appreciated.
But this dose not give any such "guru" member the right to say forums are a ad way to find advice, because he classified such as "pub talk" , thus one should pay any attention to such. That was totally out of line!
Some may consider my posts as the "aggressor".. to those.. I suggest read it all again. And unfortunately sometimes in forums posts get edited/ deleted, thus leaving original transparency clouded to work out.
If I was to reply a following post of yours saying , basically " don't listen to this pub talk, forums are bad for advice, etc.
Would you not be offended? Would you not reply to such?
This was not a debate over synthetic oil over mineral oil.
My stance was over a member saying, if you listen to anyone ( pub fool) on a forum forum for advice . I will be fixing and making money off your bad choice , because you are gullible. The truth hurts sometimes.

[Gipsy]

The last line in bushwalker's quote sums it all up... Who among us has all the true knowledge? Are we not able to speak because some 'guru' knows it all, and certainly more than we hopeless mortals? Let's do away with all this ego nonsense and get back to what this forum is good for... Namely sharing information among those who seek advice and those who have it! I for one value those who may have experience or expertise but please let's do away with the 'i know more than you' nonsense!
I for one consider this forum informative: definition... providing useful or interesting information.
"a thought-provoking, informative article"
Let's keep it at that and not some bizarre pissing competition!

[Bushwalker8]

Would you not be offended? Would you not reply to such?

No, I wouldn't be whatsoever. I would highly appreciate and respect an expert pointing out when other advice is going off track as it typically does in forums and saving me from potential headaches.

I would also appreciate the expert clarifying his credentials and 40 years in the trade is good enough for me to get the picture and trust he has good reason for suggesting something. Particularly when he is always helping people here a lot.

It was not ego, if you think it is then there is a problem somewhere else that needs to addressed outside the forum.

[Gipsy]

Ok so from that I understand, unless we post our 'expert' status and qualifications we have no authority to post here then?

[241steve]

How many cars would an auto elect see they don't want to know about. As in aftermarket alarm central locking put in by someone at home giving troubles along with other added on stereos, amps, winches, spot lights throttle controllers ,trailer brake controllers, ect
Bad joins under rated non fused cables ,don't like where the cables are to start with.
one wrong termination and burn something out. which has probably happened by the time the auto sparky sees it, if the wrong termination is still there or was changed fifty fifty and the auto sparky cant work out why it happened ?

Along with working for the general public it would be a job from Hell I think
other people show up get a scan. The scan shows heaps of airflow meter errors. The person goes buys a new airflow meter puts it on the errors are still there as theres a vac leak some where . Then its the auto elecs fault the airflow meter didn't fix it. Even though the auto elec was only asked to scan it with his scan tool read the codes and give a print out.

[Bushwalker8]

Ok so from that I understand, unless we post our 'expert' status and qualifications we have no authority to post here then?

No I didn't say that at all, post all you want if it's relevant. I will simply defer to an expert where opinions differ.

The thread topic is ignition trigger on pin 2, move on