Automatic Transmission Service

[10 luxxxx]

I'm not sure I totally agree mate the ws oil in your photo with Toyota written all over it is what Toyota recommend yes. They also say that changing oil is not needed myself and many on here will agree that is just ridiculous as no oil last for ever.
The transmittion specialist that flushed and changed the filter and new oil ( Kendall versatrans ) could not believe the sludge that came out after only 60,000k I guess what im trying to say is Toyota will sell and recommend what they want just like anyone else I have had less problems since doing a service and will be doing it every 20,000k for piece of mind as it only takes a bad day on the dunes to heat the oil to a point that it fails to do its job and burns.

[Qwerty]

yeah absolutely mate do what you reckon works for you! can't argue with that! Exactly reason I flushed mine despite my mech saying repeatedly "mate the oil in there is crystal clear, but do you still want to do it?" ... he agreed with the sentiments we both shared that it can't be possible to go hundreds of thousands of km's and not change oil. His foreman friend at Toyota, and indeed other toyota service departments have said to him / me , "it's good for hundreds of thousands of kilmeters, unless you do some exceptional amount of towing" ... and went on to say to my mechanic (a local guy, owner, trusted) are you really sure you really need to do it? "we simply never do them"... and added further "mate the WS oil really is magical stuff".

Either way... i agree, i dont think an oil can be that good, and hence I persisted with getting mine changed. herein, I will just keep an eye on it I think, if it starts to dirty... ill change it again. The oil that came out of the tranny was as clean as the oil going in

As to Kendall VersaTrans vs toyota WS ... I've no idea, can't find any info on kendal versatrans as to what exactly it is, or what it's "factory equivelant" is? ... only reason i went for factory toyota WS oil only was because I had COvs, Fuchs, and then one other vendor tell me that they recommend "type IV ATF oil" which is deadset wrong ... which made me basically distrust ANYTHING other than the factory-spec WS oil from toyota themselves. IN short, i feared that i'd get sold the wrong oil (and indeed was sold the wrong oil by covs / fuchs and got my money back...) and didnt want to risk it with the tranny ... especially because transmissions tend to be sensitive fickle beasts if you give them the wrong meal.

I'd be happy with non toyota oil normally (and i dont usually use toyota oils for normal servicing) but beacuse of the confusion i went with toyota WS only...

That said, the fact it was crystal clean after 120k has myself (and my mech) a bit stumped... my lux must had very light duties before i bought her that's for sure!! SHe gets a belting from me , and very, very hot and heavy work, but still its never skipped a beat, weird!

As to not totally agreeing .. which bit of my post did you mean?

[10 luxxxx]

Yeh I didn't really explain myself but was meaning that ws oil sold by Toyota is not the only oil that can be used
Much like any oil they sell for that matter.
But the question now is have you noticed your auto running any better with new oil.

[Qwerty]

ahhh i see. Yeah normally id not go factory oil ... but just because COvs (who is my father in law working there too) got it wrong and a few mixed opinions on whether "other oils" (ie type III and type IV) can be used it in or not.

My mechanica (who ultimately is the guy doing the job and owning it...) said to me not to use Type IV or Type III because "they're very different oil specs" to WS. That said it took him weeks and several phone calls to come to his opinion too.

Normally i go for fuchs or other types of oils for Engine Oils, diffs, power steering etc and go with whatever i get recommended usually, but was unnerved by them getting it wrong and umming / erring.

So ... for that reason, i just went with factory oil as i feared putting the wrong stuff in there and cooking it or something!

As to the box ... well it was already performing perfectly, so nope, there's no noticeable difference as its already running fine ... ive never ever had a single problem with it, its never got hot or delayed or slipped or anything ... so basically its just runing as it was.

As i say, the oil that came out of it was crystal clean brand new which has us all a bit stumped. It definately hadnt been changed in the past!

[10 luxxxx]

Good to hear its not had a problem after all the beach driving that you do hope mine holds up that long with no dramas. Your father in law must be up for a carton for selling you the wrong oil surely.

[Qwerty]

ha ha well it wasn't him per se (one of his work mates, he's since moved to a different department) ... but i did tell him about it. Its great having him there though I can drop the name and get parts and oils etc for servicing soooo much cheaper.

It was covs own internal "compatiblity" chart or whatever they look at on the computer. I told him V6, 1GRFE, 5 spd ... and type IV ATF is what they recommended. WHich is wronggggg (or at least its what toyota and my mech reckon, i have NFI myself). SO thats why I distrusted going the non-genuine route (ok im repeating myself here arent i hahah)

yeah man i was suprised, even if my car was driven like a nanna ... the last 40,000km's its done under my ownership have been pretty arduous!

you know... 45c days, labouring in the sun getting raped up and down soft soft beaches! and the oil came out clean. *scratches head*

[jakedehaas]

Guys,

Digging up old thread, but found the following when searching about ATF flushes for the 4.0L 5sp. The following is for the Tacoma in the states but essentially the same thing..

http://www.tacomaworld.com/forum/2nd-ge ... ssion.html

Cheers ,
Jake

[aandy]

I recently fitted a trans. cooler to my Automatic Hilux.
The car is a 2011 D4D 4WD and has done 73000Kms, some of it pretty hard work.

Seeing as I bought 4L of toyota type 4 ATF for the top up, I decided to flush out 3L of the old ATF and replace it with new.
Before connecting up the return to trans hose, I ran that into a 1.25L bottle, started the car and ran it until 1L was in the bottle, then topped up 1L into the trans, I did this 3 times.

What came out was actually pretty dark, still looked red on the dipstick!
Here is some photos of what came out vs what went in.

[swhilux]

Does anyone know what sort of seal is on the pan of the 4 speed D4D box. I'm just making sure I have everything for the service. So far I have a Penrite full syn oil and a new genuine oil strainer. Anything I'm missing?

[aandy]

I did the 100K service on my 2011 D4D the other day. Out of warranty now so will do all servicing myself.
Not trusting of my local Toyota I decided to do all fluids, automatic transmission included.

I bought 16L Penrite ATF FS, a new filter and a tube of loctite gasket goo.

Step 1: drain oil from plug, drop the pan, clean and wipe out, found a bit sludgy in the bottom.

Step 2: inspect filter, found spotless, didn't bother replacing. It is just a wire mesh filter, easy to see if clean.

step 3: contact clean pan and sealing faces, refit pan using gasket goo, there is no gasket.

step 4: put back same amount of new oil as what came out

step 5: remove ATF cooler outlet hose, fit a length of hose from here into 1.25 drink bottle, start engine, fill bottle (+ 50ml for the garage floor), stop engine, top up same amount new oil through the dipstick tube, repeat until all 16L new oil is used.

step 6: refit cooler hose. Done. check level.

By the end of the 16L the ATF coming out had just cleared up, ideally i would of liked to put another 4 through it but probably wasting money by this stage.

The oil that came out was very dark, very mild burnt smell. My car has seen some hard action, tows a boat, been around Australia loaded up, the condition of the oil is not a real surprise. I have had a ATF cooler fitted for the last 27000kms. Even now with the cooler, I often see 100C ATF temps when towing my boat on a hot day.

Andy.

[DeadlyBeast]

What size cooler are you running aandy?

[aandy]

What size cooler are you running aandy?

Davies Craig V8 cooler, I have mounted it in a aluminium frame very close to but not touching the AC evaporater so the engine fan pulls plenty of air through it when going slow, in saying that, the ATF never gets hot going slow, it mainly heats up on hills and fast sand driving especially when towing, in low range I have never seen it over 70C.

This one: http://www.daviescraig.com.au/Oil_Coole ... tails.aspx

[swhilux]

I did the same as you Andy, except I dropped the oil in the pan through the drain plug. Topped it up to level through dipstick then dropped off the delivery to the oil cooler. Idled engine until first air bubble came through. Dropped pan and changed filter and inspected, cleaned and reinstalled. Topped up pan again, this time we idled engine and simultaneously pumped oil into dipstick tube whilst watching the oil cooler delivery hose run to waste until we could see an evident colour change from dark to bright red. We used about 16l to do this and also with Penrite ATF FS. All unit cost me about $220. Noticible improvement in shifting and drivability. Did this at about 100k and it was its first ATF service. Last summer the ATF temp light came on a few times when working her hard through soft sand but so far this year it's hasnt happened. I don't run an oil cooler but i also never leave it in Drive on the sand. Since then my rule is, when working her hard always drive it like a manual and keep it in a comfortable gear. I doubt I'll see the light come on again

[aandy]

Swhilux: good stuff, I too have noticed a little improvement in shifting, not that I ever thought there was a problem, I just couldn't get my head around the fact Toyota (and the dipstick sticker) say it doesn't need replacing.

From now on I will drop 4L (Penrite bottle size) out the plug and replace 4L every second service to keep the oil fresh. I don't see a need to do the filter/strainer, in my mind it is there to stop swarf/nuts and bolts/assembly gasket goo going through the pump, not to catch wear particles.

[swhilux]

Swhilux: good stuff, I too have noticed a little improvement in shifting, not that I ever thought there was a problem, I just couldn't get my head around the fact Toyota (and the dipstick sticker) say it doesn't need replacing.

From now on I will drop 4L (Penrite bottle size) out the plug and replace 4L every second service to keep the oil fresh. I don't see a need to do the filter/strainer, in my mind it is there to stop swarf/nuts and bolts/assembly gasket goo going through the pump, not to catch wear particles.

Yeah I'm with you on the oil filter. Was $120 I didn't need to spend. Definatly no fine filter medium there, just a fine gauze. Never servicing is stupidity and can only lead to a failure. I spoke to Toyota and they recommended servicing at at 100k but only if used in extreme conditions. Mine has had a good life and does not get worked too hard unless on beach, pulling trailers etc. The old oil was quite dark and definatly smelt burnt. Had no issues prior to the service but yeah it does run nicer now. I personally wouldn't go over 100k in any conditions. I won't touch it again till 140k but then again I might have the new Lux by then!

[Jmann]

Hope you guys dont mind me doing a name drop here cronulla sutherland autos in the sutherland shire very knowlwdgeable and do rebuilds services and coolers aswell

[Talktheroo]

Penrite FS is an excellent product. By buying it in 20L and installing a 20L pump, this makes the job so much easier.
Sometimes, the ATF is that dirty, you have to take off the pan.
50,000 km intervals is the go for servicing these autos.
The Roo.

[SNWMBL]

Can someone please confirm that the ATF feed line enters the drivers side of the radiator and the return line exits the passenger side on a 2012 D4D?.. Thanks!

Edit: Sorted!

[Terror]

Which of these two is suitable for a 2012 D4D 4 speed auto?

http://www.supercheapauto.com.au/Produc ... SPO3952312 Full synthetic or:

http://www.supercheapauto.com.au/Produc ... /SPO209026 Toyota type IV Semi-Synthetic?

[HK1837]

Talk to Wholesale Autos in Bayswater. You want full Synthetic but want to flush it properly.