what have you got? a auto or manual

[ktm300]

How bad Iam I . Between my wife and myself all 5 cars are Manual .

[RodA]

Got two vehicles, both manual.
One 4wd
One 2wd
Considering an auto for the next one. I would be interested in a discussion of pros and cons manual vs auto.

I forgot the wife's car. It's an auto (CVT)
Both my cars are Hilux, wife is Lancer

[NZMarkb]

How bad Iam I . Between my wife and myself all 5 cars are Manual .

Same here mate 5 cars between us, except in my case all Auto's

[ggreenie]

I get the appeal of a manual with a good engine (like the 427 I’m putting in my GTS327) but I don’t get it on an underpowered engine like a sub 4.0L diesel.

While it's not a race car, I don't find the D4D underpowered at all, but I used to have a 3L GU patrol so that's probably why.

I also don’t get the whole attitude about smaller Diesels. Maybe it does come from that horrible athsmatic ZD30. Today’s engines however are a whole different matter. In fact the “little” 2.8L 1GD pretty well beats the daylights out of the larger capacity engines of old, such as the much revered TD42 found in the GU (which everyone thought was fantastic). And then there’s the newer diesel V6 in the Amarok Ultimate.

Anyone care to tell me again how sub 4.0L diesels are underpowered?

[ktm300]

I get the appeal of a manual with a good engine (like the 427 I’m putting in my GTS327) but I don’t get it on an underpowered engine like a sub 4.0L diesel.

While it's not a race car, I don't find the D4D underpowered at all, but I used to have a 3L GU patrol so that's probably why.

I also don’t get the whole attitude about smaller Diesels. Maybe it does come from that horrible athsmatic ZD30. Today’s engines however are a whole different matter. In fact the “little” 2.8L 1GD pretty well beats the daylights out of the larger capacity engines of old, such as the much revered TD42 found in the GU (which everyone thought was fantastic). And then there’s the newer diesel V6 in the Amarok Ultimate.

Anyone care to tell me again how sub 4.0L diesels are underpowered?

I’ll have my old 4-2 tdi any day over a pissy 2-8.
I like the part where you say everyone thought was fantastic.
They still,sell extremely well for a reason . Would like to see the power outputs of a 2-8 compare to my 4-2 ?

[HK1837]

I get the appeal of a manual with a good engine (like the 427 I’m putting in my GTS327) but I don’t get it on an underpowered engine like a sub 4.0L diesel.

While it's not a race car, I don't find the D4D underpowered at all, but I used to have a 3L GU patrol so that's probably why.

I also don’t get the whole attitude about smaller Diesels. Maybe it does come from that horrible athsmatic ZD30. Today’s engines however are a whole different matter. In fact the “little” 2.8L 1GD pretty well beats the daylights out of the larger capacity engines of old, such as the much revered TD42 found in the GU (which everyone thought was fantastic). And then there’s the newer diesel V6 in the Amarok Ultimate.

Anyone care to tell me again how sub 4.0L diesels are underpowered?

Simple, because they are too small especially when towing. Drive a 2.8 Hilux at full GVW towing 2.5 tonnes and then drive a supercharged 4.0L or a V8 Ram or V8 Patrol or even a 4.5L ‘cruiser and you’ll know why. Even a stock V6 Hilux drives better.

[Gipsy]

Umm methinks apples and oranges! How can you put them all in the same category? Dodge ram or V8 patrol are over twice the price and use twice the fuel. Why not include the V12 supermarine spitfire just for good measure? Let's keep it sensible folks.

[ktm300]

V8 patrol isn’t as bad as people think . Compared to a 200
Series cruiser that is . I would have patrol any day .

[ggreenie]

Would like to see the power outputs of a 2-8 compare to my 4-2 ?

Well let’s have a look shall we?

At factory tune...

2.8L 1GD makes 130kw and 420Nm from 1400rpm (manual)
4.2L TD42 makes 118kw and 330Nm from 2000rpm

As we can see the “pissy” 2.8 beats the pants off the mechanically injected Nissan TD engine. More power and more torque at lower rpm. Add an exhaust and remap and it will pump out 600Nm and 180hp atw. More than you’re ever likely to see out of the old Nissan.

[ktm300]

Would like to see the power outputs of a 2-8 compare to my 4-2 ?

Well let’s have a look shall we?

At factory tune...

2.8L 1GD makes 130kw and 420Nm from 1400rpm (manual)
4.2L TD42 makes 118kw and 330Nm from 2000rpm

As we can see the “pissy” 2.8 beats the pants off the mechanically injected Nissan TD engine. More power and more torque at lower rpm. Add an exhaust and remap and it will pump out 600Nm and 180hp atw. More than you’re ever likely to see out of the old Nissan.

you are a dreamer and have no idea . Tell what does a hilux put out ?? I know because I had mine on the dyno stock and it was about 90 kw . Not what Toyota tell you . My patrol on the dyno puts out 185 kw and would rip a hilux in half way . Iam open to the challenge any day

[HK1837]

We'll see how long the 2.8L Hilux engine lasts at 600nM and 135kW (180hp) at the wheels, especially the clutch! And it'll still get blown away by a V6, let alone a Supercharged one! I bet a good old 4.2L TD Toyota or Patrol will be happily chugging along at 350,000kM. I doubt a highly stressed D4D (as in powered up for big numbers) will last half that.

I'm not picking on Hilux D4D's in particular BTW, just any of the little highly strung diesels to me are not really suited to heavy towing especially of you expect a long life out of them. The replacement for my 2011 when it gets a bit older will most likely be a Hemi V8 Ram, it will easily tow 2500kg every day and costs $79990 driveaway, not that much more on the road than a V6 Amarok or top of the range Hilux or Ranger. I doubt it'll use that much more fuel than the competition either towing.

Gipsy, V8 Patrols aren't twice the price as a Hilux, they are about the same price, and loaded up both will get up around 15-20L/100 towing. Different class cars I know but similarly priced.

$67990 driveaway for a new Ti:
https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/detail ... 7362/?Cr=0
A new Rogue Hilux is about $63000 on special.

[dave g]

Hi yous are going off track
Auto or manual.

[ktm300]

We'll see how long the 2.8L Hilux engine lasts at 600nM and 135kW (180hp) at the wheels, especially the clutch! And it'll still get blown away by a V6, let alone a Supercharged one! I bet a good old 4.2L TD Toyota or Patrol will be happily chugging along at 350,000kM. I doubt a highly stressed D4D (as in powered up for big numbers) will last half that.

I'm not picking on Hilux D4D's in particular BTW, just any of the little highly strung diesels to me are not really suited to heavy towing especially of you expect a long life out of them. The replacement for my 2011 when it gets a bit older will most likely be a Hemi V8 Ram, it will easily tow 2500kg every day and costs $79990 driveaway, not that much more on the road than a V6 Amarok or top of the range Hilux or Ranger. I doubt it'll use that much more fuel than the competition either towing.

Gipsy, V8 Patrols aren't twice the price as a Hilux, they are about the same price, and loaded up both will get up around 15-20L/100 towing. Different class cars I know but similarly priced.

$67990 driveaway for a new Ti:
https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/detail ... 7362/?Cr=0
A new Rogue Hilux is about $63000 on special.

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[HK1837]

Hi yous are going off track
Auto or manual.

True.

[Ozwaz]

FFS......

[Allords]

The new autos are manual also right?
Theres a gate to play with

[NZMarkb]

The new autos are manual also right?
Theres a gate to play with

"NO"

Manuals have 3 pedals

[Wayne'O75]

Manual.

After driving an auto for the last couple of years, I couldn't wait to go back to a manual.

According to the dealership when I bought mine, about 80-90% of the Hilux's sold these days are Auto.

[same name]

Thank you but this has got well off track, what I was trying to gauge, was Hilux Gen 8 ONLY

[jimO]

The new autos are manual also right?
Theres a gate to play with

"NO"

Manuals have 3 pedals

you can get your mum to glue another pedal in for you