Material for sliders

[Jesse98]

I've been thinking of making a set of sliders and was wondering what size steel everyone's using. I want to use RHS and pipe

[TOYZX]

Think from memory I used 50x50x2 or 3mm rhs for under the sill and for mounts. The pipe I'm pretty sure is 50mm medium wall pipe which is 3.2mm thick.

[Jesse98]

Righto cheers mate. That's what I was looking for

[Richard]

Right there Jesse - they're not going to be air bag compatible so no insurance if you have a side collision and your air bags don't initiate.

It's why companies such as TJM, ARB etc do such stringent testing.

[Jesse98]

Which airbags wouldn't go off?

[Richard]

Just checked your profile Jess and you own a 2008 or a 2015 Hilux?

If it's the later model it'll be the side airbags. Side steps, to meet the air bag compatibility, need to "crumple" in a side collision.

[TOYZX]

Funny! I'm yet to see a set of steps or slider with a crumple zone or a sticker/badge to say they meet airbag compliance. All rubbish if ya ask me!

[john253a]

Funny! I'm yet to see a set of steps or slider with a crumple zone or a sticker/badge to say they meet airbag compliance. All rubbish if ya ask me!

You are so wrong there mate
Jtm and arb are both side compliant

You spend 40-60k on your car to go down the drain over $8-1500 again your choise,

I was infolded in an accident before Christmas
I was side swiped but a car that crossed double white line while speeding and hit the rear of my tray when mearging back in
Only damage to my car was side undertray toolbox on drives side
Insurance found me at fault because my car is modifyed without engineeres so not legal for use on public road
So Inturn my car should have never been there to be involved in the accident,
I have since go a solister to fight this as my insurance walked away from case (yes I had full Comp with all mods listed with them) and I am not even fighting to have my car repaired, it's the repair bill of they other car I fighting to not pay

My reg has not been revoked and I still drive the car as its in process of engineeres as it was also before Christmas
My mods at time of accident were 3" lift, 2" extended shackles 4" bigger tyres (33's)

[rusty 351]

John253a thats bloody rough!! who are you insured with?

[Jacko9]

Yeah mate I don't think any of that is legal? I thought extended shackles were illegal? As was a 3 inch lift and I also thought that you were allowed 50mm bigger tyre size. I could be wrong, but I thought that was what I had read on this sight at some point..

[TOYZX]

Dude I never said they arnt airbag compliant, all I said was of all the sets I've fitted I'm yet to see any kind of crush zone built into a side step ao slider like what ya see in a bullbar and mounts. I reckon it's a load of crap what these insurance companies get away with.

[Jesse98]

Just checked your profile Jess and you own a 2008 or a 2015 Hilux?

If it's the later model it'll be the side airbags. Side steps, to meet the air bag compatibility, need to "crumple" in a side collision.

Nah I got a 2008, so she should be right

[incman]

I contacted the ADR testing facility and they provided a response on the sliders ADR compliance question, last entry on this thread
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=19156&start=40

Insurance companies give the engineering companies the most business, they pay $800 approx to have a car inspected post accident, and usually they find something to get out of paying.

You have to remember insurance companies in Australia are EXEMPT from unfair contract law!

They use these manuals to asses your vehicle, very state and territory has one based on ADR
http://www.rego.act.gov.au/__data/asset ... ssible.pdf

[john253a]

I ruther not say who I'm insured with but it is one the big name companies

Jacko
Tyres stick is 29" legal is 31" so I'm 2" too big
Lift is 1" too high
Extended shackles are illegal full stop. But can be reclassified as a stanard replacment ie shackles from 75series are longer then a hilux so if you use them as part of a suspenshion swap they can be engineered
y car passed 2 rwc like that
1 to put in my name 1 to supply engineer as part of requirement to sign off to hand into VicRoads

What my be ligal on the road and what will void your insurance are too different things

[Richard]

Funny! I'm yet to see a set of steps or slider with a crumple zone or a sticker/badge to say they meet airbag compliance. All rubbish if ya ask me!

Wat eva u rekon m8

[incman]

ARB has undertaken an exhaustive research and evaluation program to ensure all side rails and protection steps are fully compatible with side air bags and don’t interfere in any way with modern vehicle safety systems.
http://www.arb.com.au/products/protecti ... rotection/

Air bag compatible mounting system, does not void your new vehicle warranty
http://www.tjm.com.au/en-oceania/produc ... series=240

When I emailed Uneek they said theirs are compliant
http://www.uneek4x4.com.au/toyota-hilux ... k-sliders/

I believe Phat bars was doing a ADR version, might have dropped it though

Probably others that are compliant as well

[Jacko9]

I ruther not say who I'm insured with but it is one the big name companies

Jacko
Tyres stick is 29" legal is 31" so I'm 2" too big
Lift is 1" too high
Extended shackles are illegal full stop. But can be reclassified as a stanard replacment ie shackles from 75series are longer then a hilux so if you use them as part of a suspenshion swap they can be engineered
y car passed 2 rwc like that
1 to put in my name 1 to supply engineer as part of requirement to sign off to hand into VicRoads

What my be ligal on the road and what will void your insurance are too different things

I appreciate you explaining it to me mate, Thanks. Mine is pretty plain jane and not pushing any of the requirements, so its interesting to see how you get about it all!

Cheers.

[AdAm3962]

I agonised over mounting sliders that weren't airbag compatable. Did a bucket load of research and basically came to the conclusion that airbags will go off is almost any side impact unless the other car is low enough to hit directly on slider, most will hit sensors at somepoint. As for insurance, my insurance company said that providing they are a legal modification I'm covered. So providing they aren't welded to the chassis, you're covered.

[AdAm3962]

Yeah mate I don't think any of that is legal? I thought extended shackles were illegal? As was a 3 inch lift and I also thought that you were allowed 50mm bigger tyre size. I could be wrong, but I thought that was what I had read on this sight at some point..

Spot on

[incman]

You can take your chances with untested sliders, your insurance will only cover you for tested and verified kit as per ADR

www.autosafety.com.au
Auto tester said:-

Thank you for your email.

We are the largest Australian test facility for independent evaluation of automotive accessories.

Rock sliders are popular accessories amongst 4WD enthusiasts and if not correctly designed and fitted the
rock sliders can affect side airbags.

We provide technical expertise in how to design and position rock sliders and side steps to prevent an
accidental side airbag deployment.

I enclose a leaflet about the testing required.

PDF says:-
Side Step Impact testing is carried out to stimulate crumpling of the step and ensure correct side airbag deployment. The maximum allowable crumpling deceleration for a side step is 5% of the actual or comparable vehicle structure over> 2ms. Using a specially constructed pendulum, the side step was mounted onto the stimulated chassis and impacted with a steel plate, padded with a panel of plywood, mass qual to the vehicle kerb + driver mass
This is used to verify that the side step mountings are unlikely to have a detrimental effect on the normal operation of the airbag system of the vehicle.